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Do you go to a charter school by any chance? Because I can only really think of those that are located inside commercial spaces.
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I used to go to a school that was located in an office building (which coincidentally also has a Notifier system.)

The building held a fire drill annually, and so did the other office buildings in the complex.

The school once held its own fire drill many years ago when the buildingwide drill was over summer vacation. That time they just announced it over walkie-talkies. "Attention all [SCHOOL_NAME] staff and students, this is a fire drill, please exit the building.
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Last week I did some surveying at Woodland School as part of an air conditioning project.
Woodland is one of the K-3 schools in the district, the other being Country, which I attended.
Woodland underwent a major refurbishment and expansion in 2003, and Country was completely demolished and rebuilt at that time.

The fire alarm systems are exactly identical.
Panel: Simplex 4100 (at the back recess doors at Country, at the loading dock at Woodland)
Both schools have 4603-9101 remote annunciators at the main entrance.
Pull stations: 4099-9001's
Detectors: TrueAlarms, and a heat detector in the kitchen.
Signals: TrueAlert speaker/strobes in most areas, remote speakers in classrooms, and remote strobes in small rooms.

These systems do code-3 tone with no message. I've heard Country's go off many times.
I got to hear Woodland's when someone burned toast during a summer program. We were only out for a minute or two until the custodian found the alarm to be false, silenced it, and canceled the fire department response.
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YYC Fire Alarms wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:36 pm Since the NFS-3030 covers the whole complex, not just the school, tripping the system for required fire drills would cause the whole plaza to evacuate. The Potter is a mock system, used only for drills. It will not activate in a real emergency. It's pretty easy to tell when there's a real fire, because the main system does Code 3, but the drill system does march time. The systems are not linked or connected in any way. If the Mircoms go off, then it's a real emergency. If the Potter horns go off, it's a drill. Sorry if I'm making absolutely no sense.
That mock system is very interesting; I've never heard of anything like it. I also attended a small school that was located in a commercial/office plaza, but our procedure for fire drills was far more rudimentary: it consisted of the principal and vice-principal going around the school while blowing a whistle. While attending that school, I only heard the building's fire alarm system (a Mircom FA-1000 with 6" bells in code-3) sounding on the rare occasion of a false alarm (perhaps a total of two or three times in five years).
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I am now interested in finding out what other schools take place in buildings like these because I am interested in how they would work.
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Simplex 4051 wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:32 pm I am now interested in finding out what other schools take place in buildings like these because I am interested in how they would work.
I used to go such a school. Here's how things work:
The school occupies all of the 2nd floor and most of the 1st floors.
There's an internal stairs near the side entrance. (This is in addition to the building stairwells which are used by office tenants, and as emergency exits from the school. Those stairwells are locked on the 2nd floor. The main lobby has steps that you use to get to the school.)
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There's a playground, a small basketball court, and a grassy area behind the building.
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(That stairs you see leads to the basement. For many, many years I tried to sneak down there. I didn't succeed until last year.)

Students and staff would often go hiking in nearby Prospect Hill Park.

Drop-off & Pick-Up: The 1st floor side entrance (at the bottom of the picture) was used for drop-off and pick-up during normal times. (8:20-8:35 and 2:55-3:10). At all other times the lobby was used - this means if your class was on the 1st floor, you'd go in the front entrance, up the stairs to the 2nd floor, and then back down to the 1st floor.

Lunch: There's a public cafe on the 1st floor (top right corner of the picture). Students can buy lunch from there.

A benefit of the school being in an office building was having central air conditioning.
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That does sound very interesting! I do sort of wish one of my schools was like that.
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Simplex 4051 wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:48 pm Do you go to a charter school by any chance? Because I can only really think of those that are located inside commercial spaces.
It is a private school, and I ******* hate it.
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My school(northbridge middle) has simplex 2903 light plates with 9833’ in most of them. All the pull stations are new fire lite BG12’s (weird combo).One 9833 in the locker room had a broken horn so there is a simplex 4903 horn on top of the 2903. All of the ones in the gym seem to be missing the fire lens on them, four are in the gym. There is one 9833 horn outside I think but that is it for my middle school but my elementary school had mystery light plate that looks like a 4050-80 but it’s not. There are autocall 350’s on top of the mystery light plate. There are really rare ellenco pullstation and a wheellock AS outside that replaced a old bell that is it for fire alarms at my schoo
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Just a question for you. Were the mystery light plates that look like 4050-80s these light plates?

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Simplex 4051 wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:21 pm Just a question for you. Were the mystery light plates that look like 4050-80s these light plates?

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Or maybe the old Bliss/Gamewell light plate that I've only seen have SpectrAlert Classics slapped onto?
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But anyways, lately they've been renovating the TV studio control area at my college's Fine Arts building, and so far it looks really nice. They reused the existing System Sensor 2151T smoke detectors, but they also installed a couple of SpectrAlert Advance P2R horn/strobes as well! (one in each room of the control area) I assume they were clearing out old stock, especially because the rest of the building already has SpectrAlert Advance horn/strobes, but they are all just mounted on adapter plates right where the building's original alarms were (Simplex 4051+4050-80 horn/lights) and are presumably P4Rs. I am also kind of surprised they are still using the 2151T detectors (replacing old Simplex heat detectors) instead of replacing them with addressable ones, as the building has a Notifier NFS2-640 system (currently set up as a conventional system), and when they renovated parts of the Student Center in the past decade they'd put in addressable devices since the existing fire alarm panel there (a Notifier AFP-200) had addressable capabilities.
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As part of a project with my school district, I've been going around to all of the schools in the district to create new tornado shelter plans (the old ones are not good- people near glass, exterior walls, etc. and had also not been updated since district-wide building upgrades). Anyway, one of the schools had a Siemens MXL with wall and ceiling mounted Wheelock AS's and standard Siemens single-action pull stations. When the building was redone, the system was replaced with a Simplex 4100U, so I assumed that all of the old system would be torn out. As a side note, it's odd what they've done with the existing 4010 systems in the schools that had them- I know for a fact that my old elementary had one, but they've all been replaced with 4100U's for some reason. Anyway, when I got there, I saw that they had kept up most of the AS's, and had replaced the pull stations with T-bars. However, some parts of the school had Truealerts (mostly ceiling-mounted, they seem to prefer ceiling-mounted alarms around here now). What was even weirder was that other parts of the school had (wall and ceiling mounted) Wheelock Exceeders, which were not there before the upgrades! I can't think of why they'd install both Simplex and Wheelock devices, but they did. Additionally, there were RSS strobes scattered around the school, and every single one was mounted sideways... I dunno what the heck was going on there lol
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Surprise upgrade at my college's Student Union! The non-renovated areas had their remaining electromechanical horn/strobes (Standard Electric Time 450 horns with 90s-style Faraday strobes on the old Standard light plates and Faraday U-HN-MCS horn/strobes) replaced with System Sensor L-series horn/strobes! I assume they are P4RLs, so they could be hooked up to the existing wiring, unless they decided to cap two of the wires and go with P2RLs so they could be in full sync with the 2-wire horn/strobes in the renovated areas (P2Rs and P2RLSs, depending on the time the area was renovated). This means there are pretty much no more electromechanical horns left on the campus (especially since the other buildings have since replaced them all with electronic horn/strobes, using SpectrAlert Advances, Space Age VA4s and Wheelock Exceders.) From what I could tell, the panel for the Student Union is still the existing Notifier AFP-200, as the LCD-80 annunciator in one of the entrances is still intact, and the NBG-12LX pull stations in the renovated areas still blink red. Now if only they could go and install remote strobes in the restrooms and Stopper II covers over all the pulls...
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I would say to tell someone from the maintenance staff that they do that as a suggestion but in my experience the maintenance staff tend to blow you off. :x
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Simplex 4051 wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:22 pm I would say to tell someone from the maintenance staff that they do that as a suggestion but in my experience the maintenance staff tend to blow you off. :x
Well, after that intentional false fire alarm on Halloween, the facilities department did tell me they put fire alarm pull Stopper covers in their budget, so it should happen eventually. Keep in mind, many of the pulls in the non-renovated areas are mounted on Faraday's ADA-extension adapters, so they'd also have to use the backboxes STI makes for the Stopper covers and cut an opening on the top of each backbox to fit over the adapter.
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