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tsscman123 wrote:What was that tone that I heard twice in the video (after the whoops)?
Does anyone know what these tones are? Nobody answered the question and I'm curious as to what the sound is...
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hhenry1234 wrote:
tsscman123 wrote:What was that tone that I heard twice in the video (after the whoops)?
Does anyone know what these tones are? Nobody answered the question and I'm curious as to what the sound is...
Video is above the original quote on page 2
Almost sounds like an elevator.
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hhenry1234 wrote:
tsscman123 wrote:What was that tone that I heard twice in the video (after the whoops)?
Does anyone know what these tones are? Nobody answered the question and I'm curious as to what the sound is...
Video is above the original quote on page 2
Almost sounds like an elevator.
Yeah, like fast whoop and then two loud tones...I don't think an elevator would be that loud though but who knows...
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Old fire alarm guy wrote:They are and the MXL is being discontinued as of 2018.
I can't count the amount of times I have heard that. The good news is, the xls migration is pretty painless with the mxl line card. Building owners will be able to replace a blown panel with the xls and as funds permit , replace mxl series devices with h-series.
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Old fire alarm guy wrote:They are and the MXL is being discontinued as of 2018.
I can't count the amount of times I have heard that. The good news is, the xls migration is pretty painless with the mxl line card. Building owners will be able to replace a blown panel with the xls and as funds permit , replace mxl series devices with h-series.
it was end of life'd years ago, has been in a maintenance period ever since. something like 800,000 installed world wide.
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Old fire alarm guy wrote:They are and the MXL is being discontinued as of 2018.
I can't count the amount of times I have heard that. The good news is, the xls migration is pretty painless with the mxl line card. Building owners will be able to replace a blown panel with the xls and as funds permit , replace mxl series devices with h-series.
it was end of life'd years ago, has been in a maintenance period ever since. something like 800,000 installed world wide.
We still regularly expand them. Whether it be adding an ald and pad-3 or a full node. We were installing the xls like crazy until the Cerberus pro panels came out. Mxl was ahead of its time.
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I was in Freedom tower on spring break. Nice system.
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Bumping again, but the new transit terminal and attached mall fully opened this week and I was in there yesterday.

-As previously mentioned, WTC 1 is indeed a Firecom system with E-50s, the occasional E-70 and their white stripe T-bars
-The Oculus/PATH station (underground mall/transit terminal) has a Firecom system with mostly E-90s, but the occasional silver E-70 as well. Quite a few E-90s are column-mounted and bent to follow the contour of the columns.

None of this is surprising, as Wheelock NAs are ubiquitous in NYC and we knew that Firecom was likely doing the entire complex.
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Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:17 am

Today, RSSAlarms sent me an interesting question pertaining to this topic. He asked me the following:
You did mention that the old Cerberus pyrotronics at the old WTC system had SS70 speaker strobes, however I have no idea what they look like and I wanted to ask you if you have any pictures or document of that particular device.
Finding a definitive answer to this was a bit more complicated that just a simple Google search, so here is what I discovered.

First off, it has now been over five years since I originally shared this post. If I could go back in time to then, I would have done a better job at providing references to my sources. Actually, I would have used actual sources for my info, and not just relied on some anonymous user's comments from the Schumin Web Community, as I did:
During this time, speakers were located in all floor areas, and were spaced to insure intelligibility and audibility. In addition, strobes were located in all common areas that were area spaced and rated to ensure adequate illumination for notification of the hearing impaired. The speaker strobes were supposedly Cerberus Pyrotronics SS70-15/75, or a similar product (as speculated by a member of The Schumin Web Community several years ago).
Fortunately, I was able to find the page where I gleaned this information from, which is a 9/11 conspiracy forum that seems like it was attempting to find out if a company as sinister sounding as "Cerberus Pyrotronics" was "in" on the fact that 9/11 was an inside job. Needless to say, they didn't uncover anything, but they did nicely preserve the post from The Schumin Web Community that I was referencing.
Q: I've got a long-time question: does anyone know what the alarms were in the World Trade Center? While watching a couple of documentaries, I've seen an RSS in there, and what looked like a Cerberus Pytrotronics voice panel, but that's it...

A: Well, obviously what's in the documentaries aren't the real alarms (unless it's actual footage of the buildings). Reading all the reports, I have the model #s of all the devices, but the trouble is the signals are hard to come by. For instance, the combination speaker/strobe units were Cerberus Pyrotronics SS70-15/75. I thought these would be MTL-style speaker/strobes, but last week, I came across an auction for an alarm w/ the exact same model #, and it turned out to be a rebranded Wheelock LSM speaker/strobe. SO, IDK whether they were rebranded Wheelock alarms or actual CP alarms.

But yes, the main panels were Cerberus Pyrotronics MXL-Vs located in the lobbies of the building they served. They monitored 5 remote panels, which monitored 8 "slave" panels which monitored "fire control cabinets" on each floor.


also see: http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NISTNCSTAR1-4CDraft.pdf
Now, this all seems like a pretty good answer, the SS70 alarms were just rebranded Wheelock speaker/strobes, but there's no way to really verify it, and concrete verification is what I am looking for right now. So, I dug a bit deeper, and here is some evidence supporting that claim that the Cerberus Pyrotronics SS70-15/75 Speaker Strobes in the World Trade Center, were rebranded MTL-style speaker/strobes.

I guess the first thing I would actually want to do would be to verify the authenticity of these alarms being that particular model number. The link at the end of that post leads to the NIST report on the WTC fire alarm system. I believe that this document was the source for 95% of the material in my first post and is a very comprehensive review and description of the WTC's systems. I would recommend checking it out, there's some cool stuff in there. (Here's a link to an archived version since it seemed like they moved the file to a different URL. On page 90 of that document, we get specific model numbers for what kind of notification appliances were being used.
The Siemens Pyrotronics devices used for audio notification included:
• Ceiling mounted round speakers, 70 V (SPK-9070)
• Wall mounted square speakers, 70 V (SPK-7070)
• Wall mounted speakers, 25/70 V (SPK-1070)
• Wall mounted speakers, 70 V, with 24 V 15/75 cd strobe (SS70-15/75)
However, this document just provides us with info about the notification appliances with audio capabilities. Based off of the wiring diagrams on pages 59-61, it seems like the system was designed to be using remote ceiling mount speakers and remote wall-mount strobes separately. Unfortunately, there's no concrete evidence as to the exact type of strobe used for visual notification, or maybe someone can located the referenced "documentaries" that show an RSS as mentioned in the quote from The Schumin Web.

What I am really trying to nail down is what kind of alarm a Cerberus Pyrotronics SS70-15/75 is, so I will be getting to that....soon...

First, I would like to point out that this is what a Cerberus Pyrotronics SPK-9070 looks like:

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That alarm, of course, is a re-branded Wheelock E90-W (or similar) speaker.

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And I do realize that the screw holes on these speakers are different, but there are other Wheelock, white ceiling mount speakers that have the same four-hole configuration like the CP one. (This unit just happens to have a strobe on it, but you get the point)

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The reason why I was going through all of that was just to show that the WTC was using rebranded Wheelock Notification Appliances. There is also evidence to show that Cerberus Pyrotronics did rebrand Wheelock LSM Speaker/Strobes. From our friend Ben Schumin, here's a photo of such a device. Note the Cerberus Pyrotronics label at the bottom of the alarm.

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The model number "SS70-15/75" is indicative of the numbering schema that Cerberus Pyrotronics used with rebranded Wheelock products that were being produced around the time that they would have been installed in the World Trade Center. Here is a Cerberus Pyrotronics HM-30 ("HornMini-30")

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Here's a Cerberus Pyrotronics S75-STD ("Strobe"75-"SexuallyTransm...." oh....wait...."). Also, these very well could have been the type of strobe in the WTC, but that is just mostly speculation.

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Lastly, from Dan's collection, a Cerberus Pyrotronics MTS4-15/75. ("Multi-ToneStrobeFourWire-15/75")

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Based on this pattern, we can extrapolate that "SS70-15/75" is "SpeakerStrobe70(watts)-15/75(strobe candelas)."

I recognize that the design of the speaker/strobe could have varied from the example above. For example, maybe it had the vandal resistant grille or the non-ADA strobe, but I think you get the point, and I hope you are happy at the evidence presented and the conclusion drawn. These were likely the notification appliances in the World Trade Center.

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Also, as a bonus, here's a picture of a Cerberus Pyrotronics branded Gamewell Century pull station, which were allegedly the type used in the World Trade Center. I'm posting this for no reason other than to prove that this rebrand does exist, verifying my claim that I made in my original post these were the pull stations used in the system.

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Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:21 am

Thanks for the information. And another bonus, this is an audio clip of one of the alarms sounding during 9/11 which sounds very creepy and hopefully somebody on the forum could be able to identify it:
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Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:41 am

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Thanks for the information. And another bonus, this is an audio clip of one of the alarms sounding during 9/11 which sounds very creepy and hopefully somebody on the forum could be able to identify it:
Those are the alarms from 7WTC, which sounded throughout the building. Interestingly, I've seen a few videos from inside 1WTC and 2WTC (the Twin Towers) during 9/11, but in none of them do you actually hear any fire alarms sounding.

Also, I once saw a video from the early 90s about fire safety at the WTC, which showed some Wheelock 34 horns. Although I can't be sure if it was actually shot inside the Towers, the presence of those horns would make sense given the time when they were built (early 70s).
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Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:41 am
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Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:21 am
Thanks for the information. And another bonus, this is an audio clip of one of the alarms sounding during 9/11 which sounds very creepy and hopefully somebody on the forum could be able to identify it:
Those are the alarms from 7WTC, which sounded throughout the building.
That’s an older “Firecom 8500” system.
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MayerFire wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:41 am
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Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:21 am
Thanks for the information. And another bonus, this is an audio clip of one of the alarms sounding during 9/11 which sounds very creepy and hopefully somebody on the forum could be able to identify it:
Those are the alarms from 7WTC, which sounded throughout the building. Interestingly, I've seen a few videos from inside 1WTC and 2WTC (the Twin Towers) during 9/11, but in none of them do you actually hear any fire alarms sounding.

Also, I once saw a video from the early 90s about fire safety at the WTC, which showed some Wheelock 34 horns. Although I can't be sure if it was actually shot inside the Towers, the presence of those horns would make sense given the time when they were built (early 70s).


Above is the safety video. The copyright date at the end is for 1996. As you can see right at the beginning, they got the slow whoop sound of the alarm system right, but the Wheelock 34 obviously is not a speaker. Also, the WTC only ever had voice-evac systems, so this alarm was either used for some other purpose or not even in the WTC at all.

Very little footage was actually shot inside of WTC 1 & 2 on 9/11 (you can imagine how different this would be today) but there is one film, known as the Naudet Brothers Documentary, which gives a very detailed inside look at the fire command operations from the lobby of WTC 2. Filming of this documentary actually started before 9/11 and was just supposed to kind of get a day-in-the-life perspective of NYC firefighters. It is actually the source from which the infamous video of the first plane crash is from. (See 24:30 in the video below)

There are a couple of instances in the documentary where you can hear the slow whoop of the voice evac system kicking in. (Around the 30:00 mark.) My guess is for why you don't commonly hear the alarms going off in videos is because they probably were keeping them on silence. The lobbies of these buildings were being used as large scale staging and communication areas and the added noise of an alarm alerting everyone of an emergency of which they were acutely aware probably was not necessary. That's just my theory though.

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Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:25 pm

Does anybody what the alarms (notification appliances and initiating devices) are at wtc7, I already know it’s a firecom 8500 with a creepy voice evac tone
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