Oh. I stand corrected then (though they’re very rare to find I’m sure).
Forecast for Life Church (Southgate, MI)
<This place doesn’t have a central alarm system, but there is a Wheelock MT4 horn/strobe used as a sprinkler alarm next to an entrance outside.
Plaza Antiques (Lincoln Park, MI) - This is a re-upload of this location after the original upload was lost to the forums corrupting.
<While I do not know what the panel, pulls, or smokes are, this place has a mix of FOS horn/strobes (the variants with the ‘bubble’ on the strobe’s front) and Wheelock 7002T units! One of the 7002Ts is gray with a blank strobe!
It said edwards lol lot
three replies in one lol.
The 7002t might not be used for the fa system.
Oh, alright. You can’t really tell at that distance & resolution though.
That is a possibility, but I didn’t see that particular unit near any mechanical rooms or fire exits, so it’s tough to know for sure.
I absolutely love nyc code systems, and mircom systems with voice evac
these Faraday multi-tone horn strobes (the rare ceiling version) are all over Eastwood Mall (Niles, Ohio; part of the Youngstown-Warren area). I believe these were installed as part of the 2006 renovation. there also happens to be a couple ADA System Sensor Multi-Alert-series signals in the center court
I have photos on my Instagram page of the four remaining 4050 horns in Penney’s; the original system was most likely a 4208 with 4251-20 pulls or possibly 4263 coded ones. The system was upgraded in the early 2000s to a fire/burglar combo system with modern System Sensor signals. this particular store was built in 1979 as part of the mall’s first expansion.
Boscov’s (one of two in Ohio; ex-Sears) has all modern Honeywell stuff with xenon L series signals
The old Dillard’s (originally Montgomery Ward) had some kind of voice evacuation system before they fled the Youngstown market; this location closed last year. A portion of it was subdivided into Dave & Buster’s and they use brand new LED L series signals on yet another Honeywell system
my first time finding an ADT B-5009 in the wild; this one at the President McKinley library/museum; unfortunately, all of the signals are system sensor crap; however, the museum side happens to have first generation Wheelock AS’s (vertical)
1 Like
You planning on saving as much of that stuff as you can if you can? A lot of those devices are very rare to find (heck I’m not sure I’ve ever seen ceiling-mount multi-tone Faraday horn/strobes!).
this mall is still thriving, so that may not be happening anytime soon
1 Like
That third picture is pretty funny lol. I guess they put the cover from a wall mount device on a ceiling mount device. It works, but is certainly weird.
Also, based off of the devices, this is almost certainly a Modular or FV series system. If you have a picture of the annunciator that would tell us for sure.
It has some XMS pull stations, and some E50/E60s somewhere in this mall
Okay. Considering it’s a mall, it’s probably a Modular system.
McDonald’s in Saint-Maximin (Oise):
Panel: Unknown. I’m guessing it has or had an ATSE Ten4-O, however it could’ve been replaced by a Chubb UTC Com given the size of the building.
Smoke detectors: ATSE SO3/SO2 photoelectric detectors OR ATSE SO13 ionization detectors (formerly) / Chubb C-Scan+O (present)
Call points: ATSE-rebadged call points, with cover (formerly) / Chubb MCP1A/MCP2A w/ cover (present)
Sounders: 3 ATSE 316E (only remnents of the old ATSE system) given the place has a PA system, I don’t exclude the possibility of having a system similar to those of the “Les Hauts Vents” mall in Chambly. Two of those sounders are so high up it would’ve made sense to abandon them in place but the 3rd one is relatively low mounted.
Centre commercial E.Leclerc “Les Hauts Vents”, Chambly (Oise), France
A somewhat bizarre mall made of several disconnected buildings, if you can call it one, the largest building is a E.Leclerc with some sort of strip mall like stores strewn inside.
Unfortunately, I have very limited information about this system, other than it seems to be a Chubb adressable system (going from the call points).
Panel: If I were to guess, Chubb UTI COM (…yes. Chubb kinda picked a rather unfortunate name for their adressable lineup…) w/ CMSI COM bay
Call points: Chubb DM MCP5A (fire alarm) and DM MCP2A (emergency exit unlock stations)
Sounders: Unknown, presumably uses a Bouyer AZ-1253 voice evac card on the PA system, there seem to be remnents of an older Cerberus Guinard system in some parts of the mall, those remnents consisting of some Cerberus branded Roshni RoLP sounders, I’m not a hundred percent sure and certain if those are connected to the Chubb system or abandonned in place, nor if they’re still there in the first place.
Addendum: the PA EVAC module theory kind of makes sense in my mind because there are a lot of PA speakers strewn 'round the store, sometimes even in spots where sounders were installed in the past, at least from memory, last time I went there before the system was seemingly upgraded, it was… Some 13-14 odd years ago. I have no clue what the older system was but I believe it was a Cerberus AlgoRex CS1145-based system, I can faintly recall seeing a Cerberus AlgoRex call point at the entrance, blinking away.
Smoke detectors: Presumably a bunch of I.Scan+O detectors strewn around under the drop ceilings, and in the open areas, I think I’ve seen some 6500FS beam detectors but this isn’t something I can confirm at the moment. There even was a reset station for one such unit somewhere.
Miscellaneous:
-
Some random France Telecom ringer bells hidden near storage entrances, most likely abandonned in place as they’re above the drop ceiling, purpose unknown but since they have fireproof cables going from them to some junction boxes, I’m guessing those are/were used as some kind of trouble bell
-
Some kind of Bouyer Excellence PA system (judging from the intercom tones), I’ve only seen the desk microphone station, never the amplifier stack itself.
I’ve got some others to add but since they’re from miscellaneous buildings (most of which I cannot recall where exactly I’ve seen it), I’ll probably add that on a new post down the line.
Also, I’ve got another post here in the queue regarding the O’Parinor mall in Aulnay-sous-Bois, there is two systems at the moment, but that’s a story for another post.
American Hungarian Reformed Church (Allen Park, MI - built in 1965) - This place has a vintage system!
Annunciators/panel:
<Unknown, presumably an Edwards 1303
Detectors:
<Unknown
Pull stations:
<Edwards 270-SPO units with the ‘LOCAL ALARM’ engraving and Edwards shield logo
Notification appliances:
<Gray Edwards 360-series flush horns throughout; one unit in a hallway was painted over with white paint, and the unit in the fellowship hall has the ‘FIRE HORN’ nameplate
<One Wheelock MT4 horn/strobe in the kitchen, part of a fire suppression system
Other:
<One Western Electric L1A telephone ringer bell, possibly used for a doorbell due to an outside doorbell button being nearby
1 Like
Cool! I’m glad you got those photos, because it will likely be upgraded sooner than later. Hopefully they keep with Siemens and just replace the panel with an FC922, or FV922 if they upgrade to voice evac.
1 Like
Akta Lakota Museum, St. Joseph School, Chamberlain, SD
Panel: JCI/Honeywell IFC-640 for fire paired with a Honeywell Vista of some flavor for intrusion, annunciator & keypad at one of the main entrances
Notification: Wheelock NAs (xenon hornstrobes or speakerstrobes, can’t tell which) of some flavor on the fire side, a siren (possibly Honeywell?) for intrusion:
Initiation: System Sensor (ofc) smokes, sprinkler waterflow, a couple different flavors of motions for intrusion? (Might be some BG-12 pulls floating around as well but I didn’t get any photos of them, also note the chunky/oldschool motion in the 2nd pic here)
Overall thoughts: Interesting to see the pairing of sophistication and seeming simplicity with a mid-to-high-end addressable panel alongside a Vista, as well as JCI-branded Honeywell hardware instead of JCI going with their own Simplex products. I do wonder who made those chunky intrusion motions though, and why they were used instead of something more conventionally packaged?
Rapid City Alternative Academy (original Rapid City Central High School), Rapid City, SD:
EST system, free of troubles no less (shout out to whoever the school district has riding herd on it!), with xenon? Genesis NAs, and lots of (Signature, I’m sure) smoke detection atop a sprinkler retrofit that was done when the building was converted to its current use.
Overall thoughts: a good system given the building’s age – it’s good it’s sprinklered too, because the building had a history of severe stairwell congestion during passing periods! (I doubt it’s a problem with the attendance of the current use, thankfully)
The Shops at Main Street Square, downtown Rapid City, SD:
Unknown system, with a mystery smoke detector and Gentex Commander3 hornstrobes:
Thankfully, we don’t have to worry too hard about what’s under the hood, given that it’s in a sprinklered building. Although, it’d be good to know who makes that smoke?
Crazy Horse Monument Visitors’ Center, outside Custer, SD:
A random? JCI-branded pull:
Wheelock NAs and a Faraday pull spied hanging out behind a STI Stopper cover:
A mystery detector, and an even more mysterious annunciator – what system could this be?
Overall thoughts: Interesting for a new-ish building to have such a…diverse? system. (Then again, I may have to edit this a bit should I figure out that I might have jumbled a couple of things together)
Baymont Inn, Sturgis, SD:
Simplex 4007 behind the front desk with a funky iconographic annunciator in the main entrance and the usual complement of Simplex smokes, pulls, and TrueAlert NAs (which I didn’t bother photographing):
Overall thoughts: Nice place – fully sprinklered, what looks to be a good system, everything looks to be modern or at least modern-enough Code. Didn’t have any life safety worries about staying there, unlike some of the other hotels on the trip (one of which you’ll hear about in a future post).
Also, have a lit ELEVATOR sign for funsies, with a Simplex smoke visibly standing watch over the corridor behind it, and a LED bugeye on the right:
Armory Building, Sturgis, SD:
A mysterious system with xenon L-series strobes (one joined by a camera for a cage-mate, seen here, with an equally cagey emergency light above it, all the better to prevent disasters involving errant balls), Fire-Lite branded BG-12 pulls (not photographed), and what looks to be a System Sensor smoke of some flavor (maybe an i3? dunno for sure) on elevator recall duty:
(It also has a lot of elevator weirdness, but that’s best saved for another post.)
Overall verdict: the main floor is quite fine from a life safety standpoint, even if the main entrance is slightly quirky with the center door having push-pull dummies with a double-cylinder deadbolt (main entrance rules) while the two outer doors in that bank have proper panic hardware. I sure am glad the elevator’s not something guests ever need to use, though!