there mostly simplex 2099s and simplex 2903s with a 2001 panel the system didn’t work (i pretty much spend all day with the system trying to get it to work)
I hope this isn’t a live life safety system you are messing with. Fire alarm equipment should only be serviced by qualified personnel. We’ve had plenty of people banned from this board for making the same claims.
Alright- the one in the university building containing my office is something I’ve never seen before. Panel is an old, large Honeywell unit in the ground floor hallway that takes up a good 6+ feet. Pulls are mostly single-action Autocall, with a few SIGA-278s branded as Edwards or Honeywell. Most NAs are standalone Federal Selectone / Simplex 4090 speakers, but there are some square devices without strobes that I cannot identify. Kind of looked like strobeless E-70s, but I’m not convinced they’re made by Wheelock. No smokes whatsoever and I can’t get into the one room that appears to have a strobe. As of now, I have no idea about the signal pattern, either.
Do you have any pictures of the device you can’t identify?
Do the devices look anything like these, perhaps?
These are Amesco FH-45 series speakers. Has a similar appearance to Wheelock E70s as you mentioned.
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Yes, thanks. Neither those or the Selectones are flush-mounted, but all pulls (mostly Autocall MS-4015s) are. Many speakers are hidden behind ducts and pipes along the ceilings and the Amesco ones are most common on lower floors. I’ll grab a picture of the panel tomorrow and see if someone can ID it. I’m not particularly familiar with Honeywell products.
It’s quite a weird building as far as the campus is concerned because it’s the only one with a system like that. Just about everything else is a Honeywell/Edwards system with ASes or bells and SIGA 278s or BG-12s, a Honeywell-rebranded EST2 with Integrity speakers and SIGA 278s, or a Johnson Controls system with E-70s and rebranded BG-12s, the latter in the newest buildings. Other than the use of bells in an area that is typically horns, pretty standard. With the Simplex merger, I’m curious if they’ll start putting in Simplex stuff or go back to EST, but that’s in another topic altogether.
US Postal Building near me- The building was built around 1972, and has a Single bay Simplex 4208 system still intact. All I could see was what I THINK is a very old Chemotronics style “Bell” heat detector, and a Simplex 4050 mounted on the ceiling.
My church- The building was built in 1961 and 1972, and has a few of the old devices still actually intact. Around the early 2000’s, they replaced the system with an EST 3 system. The building has Siga-278 pull stations everywhere throughout the building, EST Genesis’s everywhere, and the Siga smoke detectors. What really interested me is some of the leftover retired devices. They had several Simplex Chevron pulls around the school that’s connected (The school was built in the original sanctuary), and a few Simplex 6" bells (Red) on the ceilings. Also, the stairway that leads from the sanctuary to the basement had a Simplex 4251-30 paired up with another 4050. Now, over the past couple years, all of those devices have been either been removed and patched up, or replaced with the newer devices.
My Current School (Built 2008): Simplex TrueAlerts, 2099-9754 pull stations, TrueAlarm smoke detectors, and a 4010 panel.
My Synagogue (Built 1952) Mix of Spectralert Advance P2W’s and PC2W’s. FCI BG-12 pull stations, unknown FCI smoke detectors, and the FCI equivalent of the MS-4.
Buffalo, New York main library branch:
Panel: EST 3 in the basement vestibule next to Ellicott Street
Pulls: A mix of silver BG-8s and EST SIGA-278s. Some of the BG-8s are on silver boxes with “Simplex Evacuation” lettering.
NAs: Renovated areas have EST Genesis horns, most notably the western half of the main floor. Unrenovated sections of the building (basement, half of first floor, most of second floor) have what look like Wheelock MTs ceiling-mounted behind a drop ceiling grid. First floor restrooms and old second floor restrooms have Faraday/FOS strobes. New second floor restrooms have Genesis remote strobes.
Much less exciting: my apartment building
Panel: Unknown, likely Simplex 4010
Annunciator: 4603-9101 in building vestibule
Pulls: Simplex 2099-975x dual-action behind Stoppers
Smokes: TrueAlarms. Smokes in units have sounder bases. One sounder base in each unit has a CO detector.
NAs: TrueAlert H/S. Halls and one per unit. Unknown if any strobe-only units exist.
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (Troy, New York)
Student Union
Panel: Honeywell-rebranded EST3 in red case with EVAC at north entrance
Pulls: Honeywell-branded SIGA-278s (Honeywell XLS-278)
Smokes: EST SIGA smoke
NAs: Integrity speaker/strobes. Restrooms have Integrity remote strobes and there are some speaker-only units for sound coverage in hallways.
[Center for Industrial Innovation]
Panel: Unknown, likely Honeywell-rebranded EST 3
Pulls: Honeywell XLS-278s
Smokes: SIGA smokes
NAs: Remote strobes and speaker-only units. In many cases, a speaker is mounted right next to or directly above a strobe.
[Darrin Communications Center]
Panel: Unknown, likely Cerberus
Pulls: Cerberus Pyrotechnics single-action pull stations
Smokes: Can’t remember seeing any
NAs: Wheelock 6" bells. In some parts of the building, the bells are on RSS strobe plates.
Academy Hall
Panel: EST3
Pulls: EST SIGA-278s
Smokes: SIGA smokes
NAs: EST Genesis horn/strobes
Center for Biotechnology and Interdisciplinary Studies
Panel: Unknown
Smokes: Unknown
Pulls: Johnson Controls JBG-12LX
NAs: Wheelock E70 speaker/strobes
Jonsson-Rowland Science Center
Panel:Unknown
Pulls: SIGA-278s
Smokes: Unknown
NAs: Variety of bells. One has “Fire Lite” lettering
Jonsson Engineering Center
Panel: Large unknown Honeywell unit in second floor lobby
Pulls: Mostly Autocall MS-4015s with some EST SIGA-278s
Smokes: What look like old System Sensor units next to the elevators
NA: Mostly Federal Selectone speakers, with some Amesco FH-45s and one Gentex SSPKCLP in the loading dock
Voorhees Computing Center
Panel: Unknown
Annunciator: Johnson Controls rebranded Notifier annunciator of unknown model. A graphic annunciator next to it is from the original system.
Pulls: Johnson Controls JBG-12Ls
Smokes: some form of Johnson Controls smoke detector
NAs: Most of building has Wheelock AH horns and RSS strobes mounted on plates. Pictures show that these locations had SAE light plates when the building opened. Some renovated areas have AS horn/strobes/
Folsom Library
Panel: Unknown
Pulls: EST SIGA-278
Smokes: EST SIGA smokes
NAs: Wheelock AS horn/strobes with a couple RSS remote strobes
Russell Sage Laboratory
Panel: Unknown
Pulls: Cerberus Pyrotechnics single-action
Smokes: can’t recall any
NAs: Wheelock 6" and 10" bells
EMPAC
Panel: Unknown, likely Johnson Controls
Pulls: Johnson Controls JBG-12LX
Smokes: Johnson Controls unknown model
NAs: Wheelock E70 speaker/strobes and RSS remote strobes
Not a VERY good picture, but this picture is a picture of my junior high school cafeteria.
Fun fact: The political analyst on Eyewitness News WPRI Joe Fleming was the vice-principal.
The irony here is that this school is older than wiley’s kindergarten school and that system got replaced. Looks like the 4051s at Slate are here to stay for the time being.
That’s good to know. Old systems disappear too fast sometimes…
Well keep in mind, the old Simplex system at my school was failing, and thus needed to be replaced (the signal circuits didn’t work for some areas, and the system would randomly go into alarm; it even went off at 4 AM on one occasion before the replacement happened!) The original system was installed in 1974; I bet your school’s 4051+4050-80s were installed during a fire alarm upgrade in the late '70s.
Now they plan to upgrade ANOTHER one of my old schools, where I went to for grades 1-6! They have an even older Gamewell FlexAlarm system from 1971 with old Vibratone 450 horns.
According to this site
The schools in my district are getting their fire alarms replaced soon. I see nothing about Slater, but Shea the high school I would have went to had I not gotten into Davies is on the list. They also have 4051+4050-8Xs.
Target (Colonie, New York)
Pulls: Radionics T-bars
NAs: Red Wheelock NH horns mounted on pillars, ceiling mounted white RSS strobes. Only Target I’ve ever been in that didn’t have Gentex SHGs or SpectrAlerts.
Wilton Mall (Saratoga Springs, NY)
Pulls: Gamewell BG-12s
NAs: Wheelock 7002Ts in main concourses. Some stores have Exceders, ASes, and NSes.
The Hyde Collection (Glens Falls, NY)
Pulls: Notifier LNG-1Ws and -1Rs
NAs: Wheelock 34Ts, at least one 7001T painted white
Quite a few buildings in Glens Falls have a similar setup and I’ve never seen such a large concentration of LNG-1s
New York State Capitol (Albany, NY)
Pulls: EST SIGA-278s
NAs: EST Genesis wall-mounted speakers. Did not see any strobes. In part of second floor, speakers are brown, rest of building is white.
Walmart (Chesterfield Township, Michigan)
Pulls: Bosch T-bars
NAs: ceiling mounted Red System Sensor SpectrAlert Advance horn/strobes
My local library, which was built in 1967, appears to have their original Simplex system! To be completely honest, I have no idea why a library of its size really needed a fire alarm system, since it’s about the same size of a typical 1-story home. I’m pretty sure the panel is a Simplex 4245, 46 or 47, but it’s most likely locked out of sight. There are only two pull stations (Edwards 55 break-glass stations), and only 1 NA (A red STR bell).
Iron Mountain (Madison Heights) - As part of my health information technology program’s clinical affiliation class, we visited this warehouse facility that stores medical records. Because of program policies and the sensitivity of the materials stored, I could not take any pictures. The system isn’t too remarkable for the most part (mostly Silent Knight devices).
Panel:
Not known. It is presumably a Silent Knight panel, considering the frequency of Silent Knight devices in the building. From what I saw as I was pulling in to the property, the panel is out of sight in a separate room that appears to be accessible only from outside.
Annunciator:
The main entrance has a Silent Knight IFP-1000 annunciator.
Pulls:
All of the pull stations are Silent Knight SD500-PS models.
Detectors:
All of the detectors are what I believe to be Silent Knight 4AB series photoelectric detectors.
NAs:
Most of the devices are SpectrAlert Advance horn/strobes throughout the building. There is one weatherproof h/s model above exterior doors outside leading into the panel room mentioned above.
A Wheelock MT4 horn/strobe can be found above a fire dept. sprinkler connection station outside.
Other devices:
There are several Silent Knight RPS-1000 power modules throughout the building.
A few unknown testing stations (turn-key operations) for the system could be found in different parts of the building.
There was one older exit alarm mounted on an emergency exit door. It might be an Alarm Lock device, because I saw an accompanying emergency exit stick-on sign (with images of a person and an alarm with lines projecting outwards to resemble noise). The device looked like it was painted over to match the door’s color.
Primary NA is the Wheelock AS. There are Wheelock ceiling remote strobes, along with ceiling mount Wheelock AS’. The pulls are BG12LX’s with mixed fire lite and ADT ones. Was going to upload images but can’t because I am posting this from my iPad.
Also, the remote strobes in the bathroom are RSS’ on 30 candela.
Can I request this be merged? Thank you!