Oh sorry, I meant 4903-9357. I don’t know what came over me.
Yesterday I was at the Electronic Express in Cool Springs. I didn’t see an alarm until on my way out, it was almost completely hidden by a display of tv’s. It was a Wheelock MT-LSM horn strobe. It looks to me that this is a remnant of Home Place’s system (that was an old home furnishings store that closed years ago). Their system was MT-LSM’s, and honeywell half moon single action t-bars. Since this store opened within the last year, I’m assuming that if this was a new system, it would have had a newer wheelock alarm, or sa advances, or something.
So in conclusion, I’m not sure if this store even has a fire alarm system, this may have just been the result of a careless remodel. However, if it does, that mt-lsm was the only visible alarm, and hidden somewhere, is probably a honeywell pull, and idk what panel type.
Oh, and the TJ Maxx in Cool Springs has white integrity horn strobes, edwards spo pulls, and a EST LSS4/12 Panel
AMC Altamonte Mall 18 Movie Theater (Altamonte Springs, FL), opened 5/2003 - Notifier conventional system (probably a System 5000 panel with voice evacuation), SS SpectrAlert (Classic) S/S, NBG-12 pull stations, unknown smokes
Lodi Memorial Hospital Community Clinics (Trinity CC located in Stockton, Calif.) - SpectraAlert Advanced ceiling mounts
Lodi Memorial Hospital Community Clinic - Millsbridge (Lodi, Calf.) - SpectraAlert Advanced ceiling mounts
If my assumptions are right, all the new LMH community clinics have these, and as a theory, I believe the new south wing of the actual hospital will have them as well
So as I mentioned I was away for awhile at summer camp. The fire alarms at Yale University are pretty cool. Here is what I saw:
Vanderbilt Hall:
This is where I stayed, they have Siemens MS-501s and a lift/pull t-bar somewhere and newer Wheelock MTs (horizontal strobes) on slow whoop. They went off for the fire drill and when someone pulled it. They are REALLY loud.
Bingham Hall:
They have older vertical strobe Wheelock E70s and Siemens MS-501s
Welch, Lawrence, and Farnham Halls:
They have Wheelock E50s and Siemens MS-501s.
Lanman-Wright Hall:
They have Wheelock MTs with the weatherproof strobe and MS-51s. I believe these also do slow whoop as I faintly heard them when all the buildings had fire drills.
Durfee Hall:
They have BG-12s and SpectrAlert Advances (I think), but also they have remains of old Fire-Lite horn/lights above the BG-12s
McClellan Hall:
They have Siemens MS-501s with Wheelock E50s. There are Federal Signal remote strobes (same kind Chenery has) in the bathrooms.
Connecticut Hall:
They have Siemens MS-151s and Wheelock non-ADA ETs.
Phelps Hall:
They have Siemens MS-501s and Wheelock E70s.
Battell Chapel:
I have never seen the indoor alarms, but according to the outdoor alarm, they have Fire-Lite Horn/Lights! Here is a pic I took:
You can see it used to say “Fire” clearly, but its mostly weathered, and the other side is completely white (but also used to say “Fire”). The horn on the bottom is a Federal 450D, but they also often had 350s, 450s, or explosion proof horns. This is the same kind of alarm Wellington has. As for Battell Chapel, I bet they have these along with BG-6s.
Commons:
They have Siemens MS-151s and Wheelock 7002Ts. Also there are remote strobes with PA speakers in the main dining room.
149 York Street:
They have FCI MS-2s and Gentex SHGs.
81 Wall Street:
They have Siemens MS-501s and Wheelock E50s, the panel was in trouble a lot.
493 College Street:
IDK what they have, but judging by the outdoor alarms, I think they have Siemens MS-501s and Wheelock E50s.
University Theater:
They have FCI MS-2s and white Wheelock E70s.
Payne Whitney Gym:
Their current system is MS-501s and Wheelock E70s. The pool area has Autocall pulls and a few Federal 450Ds. There are also some SAE V33 remote lights. The current alarms are older Wheelock MTs (vertical strobe).
I saw several more systems, but these are the gist of what Yale has. Hope you liked it, and comment on the picture. I also bet the signs Jake is selling go with the Fire-Lite Horn/Lights because they have the screw on the bottom and say fire in the same font.
That’s exactly what I imagined when you first mentioned these. My high school has very similar exit signs (probably original).
Holy toledo, that IS a weird-looking alarm!
Here is the system at a condo I stayed at:
Silent Knight IFP-1000VIP panel. This panel was recently installed. I’m not sure what it replaced, but I’m thinking it was a Pyrotronics panel. The panel does three rounds of slow whoop, then plays the standard Fire-Lite male voice message.
Unlabled 270-SPO pulls
The NA’s are Pyrotronics speakers under Space Age A32 light plates
This one was painted white.
These are the smokes.
Not quite sure what this is, but it’s installed right next to the panel, and is labeled “Atlas Sound”.
Odds are it’s a firefigheter telephone communication system. It enables the fireman at the contol panel to talk to other firefighters at various locations around the building.
I saw a ZNS for the first time a bakery.
The new building at my school has white SpectrAlert Advances.
Today, I took an adventure to a mall that I have been to only a long time ago. This should interest Wiley209 as this system is very similar to some of his favorites.
The Square One Mall in Saugus MA is operated by Simon Malls, which operates malls across the country, including Burlington, Square One, and South Shore Plaza (Prudential Center is not included).
This mall has a Simplex system, like most Simon Malls. This system looks like an early 90s system. I don’t know which alarms are original as this is a very weird layout. First off, NONE of the alarms are voice evac, unlike most other malls I have been to. The oldest alarms in the mall, located on the ground floor, are ceiling mount Simplex 9838s on 9101 strobe plates. There is also one on the second floor where the ceiling is low enough for the alarm to be visible. The second floor, for some reason, has Simplex 9219s (I think, as it looks silver under the grille, and I doubt they’re speaker/strobes). However, I didn’t get close enough to fully see, as these are mounted way high up. I don’t know whether they were added later. Maybe this system was done right as Simplex was making the switch from the 9838s to the 9219s. Most stores have either 4903 alarms (probably 9219s or 9237s) or TrueAlerts, like a typical mall Simplex system. Remember, stores are in and out, so most stores have more modern alarms than the hallways. I didn’t notice and 9838+9219s in any stores, but I bet the oldest stores still have them. Smokes throughout the mall are mostly older TrueAlarms or some similar looking smokes that Simplex rebrands from Honeywell, I think. Also, like most malls with Simplex systems, the newer areas have newer TrueAlarms. Pulls are a mix of older 2099s and newer 2099s. All the pulls are single action, I did not notice any dual action pulls, but there likely could be some in some of the stores.
Also like most malls, the department stores usually have different alarms than the regular areas of the malls, however, some have Simplex systems:
Best Buy: BG-12s and Wheelock ASs
Dicks Sporting Goods: BG-12s and Wheelock ASs
Filene’s Basement: 2099s and 4903s
Macy’s: BG-10s and Wheelock EHs (weatherproof horn/strobes)
Sears: 2099s and 4903s
T.J. Maxx: BG-10s and Wheelock MTs w/ the weatherproof strobe
In general, it was a really cool system, very similar to Burlington and South Shore Plaza or any other mall that has Simplex alarms.
Heh, that kinda reminds me of Silver City Galleria Mall, especially the 2901-9838+4903-9101s being the main mall alarms and stores having TrueAlerts. The main difference is that these are the only two sort of Simplex signals in the mall! They have Simplex 4251 pulls that have “LOCAL FIRE ALARM” on top, while stores with TrueAlerts have 2099-9756 pulls. Many of the smoke detectors are older Simplex 2098-9201 smokes, but stores have TrueAlarm smokes, and I saw at least one older Simplex smoke was replaced with a TrueAlarm (none of which are addressable.) The mall was built in 1991-1992. Odds are, the panel may be a Simplex 4100, or it might just be a rather large 4002.
But THEIR Best Buy has ceiling-mount Wheelock NSs and a Silent Knight panel, the Dicks Sporting Goods has BG-12s and ceiling-mount SpectrAlerts, the Sears has Wheelock C7001T horn/strobes, J.C. Penny’s has ADT BG-12s and a mix of ceiling-mount SpectrAlert Advances and disconnected C7001Ts, the Regal Movie Theater has SpectrAlert speaker/strobes, and the Old Navy has TrueAlerts.
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They painted the strobe too! That can’t be right.
I forgot to mention what alarms I saw from my trip to Washington D.C. while I was at camp. Overall, the alarms are mostly Siemens, with a few Simplex systems. Here’s what I saw.
The arcade/restaurant we stopped at had Simplex 2099s (I think single) and two different types of alarms. Most were 4903 speaker/strobes (and YES, I did look under the grille). Some of the alarms were Simplex rebranded Honeywell speakers (if anyone has the model # please tell me) on 9501 plates. Smokes were older and newer TrueAlarms.
The Double Tree where we stayed at has a similar system to the Renaissance Hotel in LA. The Double Tree has Siemens MS-51s and white Siemens speaker/strobes. Some areas have remote strobes on the walls with remote speakers on the ceiling. The rooms have remote speakers on the wall.
The Capitol Building has a nice looking system, it’s a fancy building. The pulls in one area look like they are ESL t-bars. The alarms in that area are mostly white Wheelock E60s, with a few white E50s. For those who don’t know, Wheelock makes the E50s to be nicer looking alarms. They do not have visible screws (similar to TrueAlerts). The main section has FCI MS-2s and white Wheelock E70s. Some areas have white RSSs next to PA speakers.
A mall we ate lunch at (and I had my first Red Bull l8r) has Siemens MS-501s (I think) and these weird round white speakers with Gentex style strobes on them. It’s really weird as they look like they should be ceiling mounted, but the “Fire” lettering is meant for wall mounted devices.
We did not go inside the White House. I know there has been questions on the FA system there. We saw the outside though.
I forget what system the Hollocaust museum has, but I think it’s a Siemens voice evac system
The Washington monument has Siemens MS-51s mounted high and Wheelock E70s. The pulls were right under the alarms. This is a no no in terms of ADA.
The natural history museum had a very cool system. It had various Siemens pulls and several different kinds of speaker/strobes. These ranged from Siemens speaker/strobes, Wheelock E70s (old and new), Wheelock ET speaker/strobes, with the weatherproof strobes, and Federal Signal SelecTone speaker/strobes with the non-ADA strobes. Also, in one area there was a leftover alarm, a Simplex 4030! This is the first 4030 I have seen in person, it was surface mounted with no projector. I bet it was disconnected. I sadly didn’t see the logo, but I bet it was a Simplex 4030 or a Faraday Type 2.
So those are all the systems I saw in Washington.
I’ve mentioned before that the college I will be attending has a Simplex sytem with Truealerts and T-bars, but today i noticed something else. Today I went to the bookstore to get my textbooks for the upcoming semester and I noticed an old Edwards “fire horn” with a red light bulb next to it near the cieling. It must have been part of the original system. As soon as I start I’ll be sure to get some pics.
The hotel my aunt and her boyfriend work at in my city has a Fire-Lite panel. Pulls are the 1970s-1990s Autocall model, and in the main lobby the signal is a Wheelock MT-24-LSM. But in the office my aunt and her boyfriend are in, they have a Federal Vibratone 450 horn.
The new Halloween costume/party store at Westgate mall has a Wheelock AS horn/strobe and a System Sensor 2400 smoke detector. Chances are it’s tied into the mall’s main Notifier system.
I was at Quincy Market in Boston today and saw some cool stuff. Here is what I saw:
Main building:
Pulls: Simplex 2099s or 4099s. They had break glass and single action versions.
Alarms: Simplex TrueAlert horn/strobes (with some speaker/strobes in some places). Also remains of old alarms, probably 4051+4050-80s.
Northern building:
Pulls: Simplex 2099-9756s or 4099-9003s. A few 4251-30s too.
Alarms: Surprisingly, they had 4051+4050-80s! I wasn’t even expecting to see these here! I have only previously seen them at Framingham State. These ones at Quincy Market on the other hand are different looking. The 4051s are sticking out (and yes the sounder plates are square), like normal, unlike the ones at Framingham State. Also, the lenses at the ones here say “Fire” in black, unlike the ones at Framingham State. Also, the alarms are cleaner here, so I bet they are an early 80s upgrade, as everything is on backboxes. Some of the stores have Wheelock NSs.
Southern building:
Pulls: Simplex 2099s or 4099s. Also some 4251-30s.
Alarms: Wheelock ASs on adapter plates, almost certainly over old 4051+4050-80s. I bet the Northern Building will get this upgrade in the near future. Some stores have Wheelock ASs or NSs or Simplex 4903 alarms
American Eagle I hear has TrueAlert speaker/strobes. I wasn’t inside there but thats what they have apparently.
Quincy Market is very old, so I bet the 4051+4050-80s and 4251-30s are from the late 70s or early 80s. Recently, the newer devices were put in.
Overall, this place is now one of my favorite systems.
Hopefully the Wheelock ASs were not from some Notifier takeover! But then again, if there were newer Simplex pulls there, I assume Simplex probably put those in too. And of course, me seeing very old buildings with Simplex 4051+4050-80s isn’t new to me; even the Huntington Elementary School near my house has that!
The school was built in 1896 and added onto in 1914, but the Simplex 4208 system currently there was installed during a 1979 fire alarm system upgrade.
And most of the time, I see 4251-30 pulls in these kind of systems too, which were probably the original pulls at Quincy Market. The exceptions being the Superior Courthouse (which has Simplex 4251-113 Chevrons) and Boyden Hall (which has Simplex 4251-20s).
I’m pretty sure Quincy Market most likely has a Simplex 4100U fire alarm panel (formerly a Simplex 4208, probably).
Yeah, I doubt Notifier put in the ASs. Pretty much, at the Northern Building, there are still 4051+4050-80s, but all the pulls in the hallways are now 2099s or 4099s. Some of the stores still have 4251-30s, but strangely I didn’t see any together with 4051+4050-80s, although I bet they all used to be 4251-30s. All the stores I saw had Wheelock alarms, mostly NSs, and either 2099s or 4251-30s. Also, I know that the are part of the same system, as one of the 2099s had conduit leading right up to the 4051+4050-80 above it.
The Southern Building also has 2099s or 4099s. The only difference is the Wheelock ASs are in place of the 4051+4050-80s. However, they did a nice job. They completely took out the old alarms and used mounting brackets when installing the ASs. Some stores still have 4251-30s, but I did not see any 4051+4050-80s left at this building. I bet the Northern Building will get this same upgrade in the near future.
As for the main building, the 4051+4050-80s were removed and trim brackets with another covering over the square hole the trim bracket has were put in place. Separate wiring was used for the TrueAlert horn/strobes.
Also, I saw several old annunciators that probably went with a Simplex 4208. One of them might have looked like the one at my school, but IDK.
I rarely see new Simplex pulls used with 4051+4050-80s. Only time I did was at the Davis K-8 school; a couple of the old 4251-30 pulls were replaced with new Simplex 2099-9103s early this year.
But I DO tend to see newer Simplex alarms with old Simplex pulls though.