That masterbox is just as new as the panel, and the shed where this system is installed.
Boston - and several other Massachusetts cities - still supports the use of masterboxes.
(It’s not the only option, as the state building code allows a monitoring company to be used.)
I went to a BBQ restaurant with my dad and ate some good brisket and when we went in to pay i saw a simplex addressable system, and two speaker strobes in the very small dining room and the restaurant is very small
They’re a lot more common than you might think, especially in the Northeast. Lots of Mircom in Mass and NY. Recently I’ve started to see them crop up in apartment buildings in VA and NC, much to my surprise. One is even voice evac. (The vast majority of apartment building systems I see are Fire-Lite with System Sensor NAs.)
The rest stop could require the complexity of a 4100es such as specific relays that turn off the gas pumps. It could also be due to a network that they have with the other rest stops. In the Longhorn it could be required as to the amount of people it can hold and it could be considered an assembly area.
My local Applebee’s has a whole ass MS-9200UDLS system I’ve only counted like 2 pulls and 2 smokes. The system has SpectrAlert Classics and BG-12LXs. This system was probably installed right after the 9200UDLS was introduced (Early/Mid 2006) but before the Advance was released in September 2006. Or the alarm company still had a bunch of classics on hand so they just installed those instead of advances.
I see a lot of ‘overkill’ when fires happen in building and fire department wants a full upgrade.
I remember this one walkup building we did. It originally featured a Mircom FA-101T with 6" Edwards 439Ds (6 bells total, 2 per floor). It doesn’t seem like much, but the hallways were very echoey, so the bells were pretty loud.
This place is no stranger to fires, as it houses people with mental health issues and what not. Lady ends up dying due to a fire in a unit with smoking in the bed as a cause. Fire department wants full upgrade.
Now, there is a Kidde VS panel, with all adressable devices. Now there are 12 hallway horn/strobes, obviously the EST Genesis (4 per floor) with horns in each unit as well. I think the system can wake up the surrounding neighbourhood when it goes off, it is ear splitting now.
Also another place I just did recently. The first floor of this apartment was originally commercial units, and they decided to instead turn them into residental units, without really changing much. So, now you have units on the first floor with 6" Fire Bells. That’s right, fire bells. One has like 4 total, one in each bedroom and then 1 for the common area.
Then there is a retirement condo residence we do, where the first floor units have pull stations inside them The one lady had hers blocked by a painting because she thought it was ugly.
It would make sense if they were located near the front entrance of the buildings in case there are residential detectors that aren’t part of the system or the sprinklers that get tripped don’t activate the system that way it will notify everyone that there is a fire somewhere in the apartment.
Yeah, most apartment buildings have pull stations in the hallways/front entrance for this exact reason. However, putting them in the individual units is not a good idea, where they could get pulled by kids, drunk people, accident, etc. I have only ever seen this in 2 or 3 buildings, and I have looked at 300-400+ apartments and condos online and in person over my lifetime.
This is the same reason that almost all new construction apartments/multifamily housing uses 120v smokes in units, rather than system detectors. Exceptions would be high risk housing (rehab, mental illness, shelters, transient housing), nursing homes/care facilities, and college apartments, where you want to have a high degree of control and insight into alarm conditions in each unit.
It is a retirement residence, so no kids around at all lmao.
Also, never seen an apartment with conventional smokes. Most of the older ones have a heat sensor at the front entrance. Some newer ones will have them more by the living area and or bedrooms, or both. We did a large highrise that was built within the past 10 years, and it had 2 heats in the larger units up top.
All new construction I notice is all sprinklered now and just 120VAC smokes, makes my job a ton easier. Sprinkler guys have a far longer inspection to do now lol.
I see many notifier, honeywell, apollo, hochiki, etc addressable systems in small gas stations with around max 30 devices but in apartment blocks they have nothing. it is like that in slovenia, croatia, hungary and italy and maybe more countries in europe
The Church of the Holy Spirit in Stamford, CT, which is a relatively small church, has a Fire-Lite MS9200UDLS (?) and an Audiosone AU-360 voice evacuation amplifier. The devices are SpectrAlert Advance speaker strobes, System Sensor 2151 smokes, and Fire-Lite BG12LX pull stations.
The building has the Dunkin, an upper floor (I don’t know what it is used for), and a small drycleaner attached to the right. I don’t know if the drycleaner has a separate system as I haven’t been there in a long time. Still, the building is pretty small, but it has a GE FireWorx FX-64. It just seems overkill to me, I feel like I’ve only counted like 3 devices.
McDonald’s in Northbridge, MA
You’d guess that a fast food restaurant would have a relatively small system, but this place is the complete opposite. I’ve barely counted any devices, but this McDonalds has a Silent Knight 5808 The system is using SD500 devices and Commander 3s (or 2s, I can’t tell).
I wouldn’t say that Northbridge McDonalds has an overkill system. . One reason is because it looks like they use i3 smoke detectors, and they only have approximately 3 in the guest areas (Ofc photos only show so much). Another reason is because there are only 2 NA’s in the guest area. There’s also one sd-500 visible and probably another by the other door. I wouldn’t see this as an “overkill” system. I think addressable is reasonable here because it could also be used for the suppression system /waterflow for the grills. It also seems like there are a handful of i3’s in the guest area.
Nah I say it’s overkill because it has an entire SK 5808 (which is a 127-point panel when running SD protocol). The detectors aren’t i3s, they’re the SD505 (basically Hochiki) ones.