Fire Alarms in Buildings (2.0)

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Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:28 pm

Dossin Great Lakes Museum (Detroit) - There are several vintage components here!

Annunciator/panels: Unknown

Detectors:
>Most of the detectors are A*T-branded ESL photoelectric models (the ones with the side viewing holes), scattered throughout the museum.
>One System Sensor i3-series photoelectric detector was installed in a foyer, presumably replacing a failed ESL detector.
>One Honeywell 5809-series heat detector was installed inside the DeRoy Hall, presumably replacing another old ESL detector.

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>There's an A*T B5009 pull station near the restroom hall! It's my first time seeing one of these in person.

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>One Atlas Soundolier UCL-series speaker, which has an exposed wire to the A*T pull.
>The pilot house has a Henschel Corporation bell, 6" in diameter (model unknown), used as part of an old boat's alarm system. It's on static display now and no longer used for general signaling.
>A few older Detex ECL-230D exit alarms are installed also, all of which are mounted above panic bars, and about as high up as the top of my head!
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Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:11 pm

Tao of Peace in Bowness has a Mircom FA-1000 system, with a Fire-Lite rebranded Wheelock MB-G6-24 bell on a Wheelock RSSP-24MCW strobe plate by the entrance, and a Wheelock MB-G10-24 bell (not sure if rebranded by Fire-Lite) on a Wheelock RSSP-24MCW strobe plate by the exit. Pulls are a Simplex MS-301C that says "PULL OUT" instead of "PULL DOWN" by the 6" bell/strobe, and a Notifier MPS-950B by the 10" bell/strobe.
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Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:24 pm

The new Alabama welcome center on I-10 East has probably the most overkill system I've seen: a Simplex 4100ES voice system with addressable TrueAlert speaker/strobes. I don't know how a glorified restroom could possibly meet the occupancy numbers to make a voice system required, so either there's some interesting Alabama code at play or the Tyco sales guy got a huge pat on the back for making that sale.
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Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:58 pm

Target in Mundelien (Radionics System; renovation halfway done)

WC System Sensor SpectrAlert Classic horn/strobes and strobes.
WC SpectrAlert Advance horn/strobe in the food area.
WC L-Series horn/strobe in the vision section of the store
WW L-Series strobes in the bathrooms

And finally, White Gentex Commander 3s with blue strobes near a bunch of exit doors and the kitchen. I have no idea why some places being renovated or having a new FA system like my school are adding these. I don’t think these are lockdown alarms.
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Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:21 pm

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Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:58 pm
And finally, White Gentex Commander 3s with blue strobes near a bunch of exit doors
They’re probably door alarms.
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Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:46 pm

The high-rise apartment my aunt and a friend of mine live at near my college has finally gotten a fire alarm upgrade!
It's two towers connected by a hallway on the ground, originally built in 1971 with an S.H. Couch system. The original pulls were mostly Couch F1G Chevrons, but in one of the towers there are also some of the larger Couch pulls that resemble the coded ones but are not (they have a keyhole on the bottom where the code number plate would go), and the original smoke detectors were these small Pyrotector ones. I'm not entirely sure what the original alarms were, but they were most likely old-style Federal Vibratone 350 horns, as I saw one at a similar high-rise apartment built at the same time.
In the 80s, an Edwards panel of some kind replaced the original Couch panel, and they also replaced many of the Pyrotector detectors with ESL 523C smoke detectors rebranded by Edwards GS.
Then in the 90s, a conventional Notifier panel of some kind was installed, and the old horns got replaced with Wheelock MT4-24-WM horn/strobes. In each apartment unit there was a Wheelock MIZ-24-LSM horn/strobe. My aunt lives in a handicapped apartment unit, and her bedroom also has a Wheelock RSS strobe in it. Also in each unit is some kind of unknown household-style smoke alarm; I think they're made by Firex. There were also some System Sensor 2400 and i3 smoke detectors scattered around. The Couch pulls were also lowered to an ADA-compliant height, for the most part. Also some time in the last decade, a small EST panel was installed in the main entrance vestibule for one of the towers, for the sprinkler system.

Starting a couple months ago they began a total fire alarm system overhaul. They have installed a Notifier NFS2-3030 voice-evac system. The panel was installed in the main vestibule where the old Notifier annunciators and the EST sprinkler panel were. In the main lobby is an auxiliary panel of some kind, and in the vestibule entrance for the other tower is what looks like an NCA-2 annunciator with an emergency mic next to it.
The alarm signals are a first for Brockton; they have System Sensor L-series speakers and speaker/strobes! Depending on the area, there are wall-mount and ceiling-mount versions, all red. In my aunt's apartment unit, they put a remote strobe in the living room/kitchen area and a speaker/strobe in the bedroom.
Naturally, the pulls are NBG-12LXs, and the smoke detectors are FSP-851s. For now, the old devices are still up but inactive; the Couch pulls have blue masking tape over them. I'm going to see if my aunt can let me know when they begin taking out the old alarm devices to see if I can get some of them! (I'm surprised I don't have a Wheelock RSS or MT4-style horn/strobe yet!) I will say, this new fire alarm system is a major improvement, as I've often felt the high-rise could use an upgrade to a fully-addressable system.
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gpburdell wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:24 pm
The new Alabama welcome center on I-10 East has probably the most overkill system I've seen: a Simplex 4100ES voice system with addressable TrueAlert speaker/strobes. I don't know how a glorified restroom could possibly meet the occupancy numbers to make a voice system required, so either there's some interesting Alabama code at play or the Tyco sales guy got a huge pat on the back for making that sale.
Many of the service areas on the New York State Thruway and Massachusetts Turnpike have EVAC systems, possibly most. The only Thruway service areas I can confirm do NOT have EVAC are Angola, Iroquois, and Ramapo (3 out of 27). I've seen EVAC in service areas in DE and MD, too. Can't remember if IL, IN, NJ, OH have it in theirs.
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Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:55 pm

Yawkey commuter rail station - Boston, MA
Pull stations: Notifier NBG-12LO's
Signals: Wheelock ET-1080 speakers and RSSWP strobes
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Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:49 pm

Came back from a vacation in Vermont and the systems at my grandparents retirement home and the motel we stayed in are still the same. The retirement complex called "Sunrise Manor", has a Simplex 2001 system. Most of the alarms are Simplex 4903-9220 horn/strobes. They are a replacement for Simplex 2901-9806 horns on 2903-9101 strobe or light plates except for outdoors where they remain.

The motel we stayed at is called "Lakefront Inn and Motel" has Wheelock 7002T horn/strobes.
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Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:06 pm

I just got home from a 2.5-week cross-country trip, staying in hotels every night. While most systems I saw were pretty standard, I did see a few interesting ones.

DoubleTree Columbus-Worthington (Columbus, OH)
This hotel appears to have been built in the late 80s-early 90s.
Pulls: Simplex single-action T-bars of various ages.
Smokes: mix of Simplex smokes, with a few EST smokes thrown in there. Typical household smoke detectors in rooms.
NAs: This is where it gets interesting. The vast majority of signals were Simplex 2902-9739s (flush-mount LifeAlarm speaker/strobes). There were a couple of 2902-9717 speakers and a couple of 4903-9147 speaker/strobes, likely replacing failed units. The lobby had, in addition to speaker/strobes, ceiling mount Genesis horn/strobes on the high ceiling. The room had a pop-out panel that almost certainly contained a speaker or speaker/strobe. While I couldn't see inside as the panels only open if the alarm is activated, I'm assuming they were TrueAlert speakers or an earlier model.

Super 8 Rapid City-Lacrosse Street (Rapid City, SD)
The alarm system, at least, dates from the 80s or early 90s.
Pulls: EST SIGA 270s
NAs: System Sensor MASS (non-ADA). Most had no strobes, but a couple had the vertical non-ADA strobe of the original MASS.
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:14 pm

696 Centre (Farmington Hills) - The building appears to be from the 1980s, and has modern, mixed components.

Panel/annunciator/detectors: Unknown

Pull stations:
>Simplex 2099-series single-action models

Notification appliances:
>White, ceiling-mount EST Genesis horn/strobes
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Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:52 pm

The Ob/Gyn center near our main hospital was built in the early 90s with a Simplex 4001 fire alarm system, with 2901-9838 horns on 4903-9001 light plates, 4251-20 single-action pulls with Stopper II covers, and 2098-9201 photoelectric smoke detectors on -9637 bases. But some time back, the Simplex 4001 panel was replaced with a Simplex 4006 system! (red cabinet version) Everything else on the system is still the same, though. This was a fairly sensible upgrade, as a Simplex 4007ES may have been a bit overkill for replacing a 4001, especially if you're going to reuse the existing devices. (Plus, as I've said, all the 4006 seems to be typically used for is to replace any existing hardwired conventional fire alarm panels that use up to ten zones and four signal circuits; I've even seen a 4006 panel installed in a gutted 2001-8001 cabinet!)
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Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:27 pm

Alberta Children's Hospital has a HUGE two-stage EST3 system (a few panels in the FACP room, and one in the hallway between the parkade and main hospital), with EST 964-1A-8RW speakers on the ceiling, most with EST 202-5A-TW strobes with LKC-1 lens (ceiling "FIRE" orientation) on the ceiling next to them or by the elevators on the 3rd floor and possibly the others, within 6 feet from the speaker, but some speakers have no strobe by them. Those can be found all over the main hospital. The parkade hallway has EST 964-5A-8RW speaker/strobes, and the parkade has EST 964-5A-8SW speaker/strobes, again, all with LKC-1 lenses. The parkade stairwell and possibly the other stairwells, have EST G4R-S2 and G4RF-S2 speakers. Pulls are EST SIGA-270P in the main hospital, and EST SIGA-270 in the parkade and the hallway between. Some pulls have been replaced with their EST/GE variants. Smokes are EST SIGA-PS, some EST/GE.

All strobes in the system are synchronized, and the alarm tone for first stage is a chime that goes on every 3 seconds, second stage is possibly a code-3 chime. There is a message that occasionally comes on the speakers saying "Code Red, level #, (room name)"

Safeway in Crowfoot had a minor update to their system. It has a Simplex 4100ES 2-bay system (currently has a trouble) replacing an old Edwards panel (unknown model) in 2015, with EST 757H-15PS horn/strobes, one of them is falling off the wall. Pulls are a Simplex MS-301C that says "PULL OUT" instead of "PULL DOWN" by the right entrance, two Edwards 275-C111 pulls can be found by the left entrance, the Notifier MPS-950B by the juices has been replaced with a Tyco/Grinnell variant, a Tyco/Grinnell pull has been replaced with a Mircom MS-401 by a door that leads to the warehouse.
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Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:59 pm

IKEA - Stoughton, MA
Pull stations: Siemens HMS-D's
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Detectors: FirePrints
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The self-serve furniture area has System Sensor beam detectors.
Signals: U-MMT horn/strobes and U-MCS remote strobes
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Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:00 am

Chase Reinhardt wrote:
Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:27 pm

Safeway in Crowfoot had a minor update to their system. It has a Simplex 4100ES 2-bay system (currently has a trouble) replacing an old Edwards panel (unknown model) in 2015, with EST 757H-15PS horn/strobes, one of them is falling off the wall. Pulls are a Simplex MS-301C that says "PULL OUT" instead of "PULL DOWN" by the right entrance, two Edwards 275-C111 pulls can be found by the left entrance, the Notifier MPS-950B by the juices has been replaced with a Tyco/Grinnell variant, a Tyco/Grinnell pull has been replaced with a Mircom MS-401 by a door that leads to the warehouse.
And I forgot to mention that even though the system is addressable, the system is set up in a conventional manner.

Home Depot in Beacon Hill has a Notifier AFP-200 system (panel located at Contractor Pick-Up entrance and has a DMP annunciator weirdly), with System Sensor P1224MC horn/strobes mounted high on the ceiling. The Garden Centre has System Sensor P1224MCK horn/strobes, but I may be wrong. Pulls are mostly Notifier MPS-950B, but there's one Simplex MS-301C by an entrance that says "PULL OUT" at the top.
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