Holy crap!! What the hell happened to that AS?!?! It looks like its gonna fall on the floor and break at any second!!! :shock: :lol:
I think you mean the TrueAlert…
That, too…
These are some i saw from my trip to Europe: http://pic3.piczo.com/samburner3/?g=22196345&cr=3
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smoke painted over:
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A call point on a sink down near the drain pipe!!
OK. Now they are just getting lazy…
As I said, when they install the SpaceAge Electronics horn/strobes at my college, they actually do a pretty decent job with it! They remove the old horn and retrofit plate, then they put in the new alarm and usually mount it with an adapter-trim plate so it looks nice. But I saw a couple hanging a bit at the T Building on campus with some screws out a bit. I hope those are only half-installations!
JEEZ, look at those slovenly jobs!!!
God, it’s no wonder they don’t work!!!
For those who are late joining us, they did some fire alarm upgrades in the Fine Arts Building a couple of weeks ago, and it was a rather decent job. I will compare good upgrades with the bad and ugly…
Here’s a GOOD fire alarm replacement. This first pic was taken in Janurary 2007…
And here’s the same spot as of September 2007!
See? They completely removed the old Simplex 4051 horn and 4050-80 retrofit plate and put in a newer electronic horn/strobe manufactured by Space Age Electronics (I call them “Screamers”), and they mounted it on an adapter trim plate so nobody’ll notice. Now compare this to some other cheap-jack upgrades/replacements:
BTW, Dan D., I think they really need to upgrade that fire alarm system in that MASS/4050-80 pic. The new horn/strobes aren’t even ADA-compilant! What they should do is take out the whole MASS/4050-80 doohickey, replace the Honeywell system with a Simplex 4100U, and put in some kind of speaker/strobes to make it voice-evac.
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The 9833/SpectAlert gives me bad images. shudders
here’s a picture I took last week of a nice, clean, professional-looking wiring run to a heat detector in an electrical closet.
if you look closely where the cable enters the junction box, you’ll see the wiring doesn’t enter through a side knockout. aside from this not being in flex or solid conduit. the cables look like they’re run through a hole in the back of the box, and is pinched between the box and drywall ceiling.
hmm, can we say “Ground Fault” in a few years?
this electrical closet had a suspended ceiling, and this heat detector was probably installed in the suspended ceiling, recessed, properly. I think this closet has an attic access hatch, and they removed ceiling tiles to make it accessible. my theory is one of the ceiling tiles had this detector on it, so the facility’s maintenance jockeys simply took the same junction box and screwed it to the drywall above the suspended ceiling. note all the extra wiring hanging down and ziptied into a roll. it had to have been installed in a drop ceiling, and was just moved. this same wire run feeds a duct detector on the roof.
still though, very unprofessional, and very sloppy work. the building’s maintenance staff could have moved the detector to the part of the drop ceiling that was still intact, or at least used Wiremold or EMT conduit for the extra cable. excess cable like that is just more to get damaged.
Eek. Someone got wire happy.
Wow. Somebody got a little too creative.
Yikes! Thats enough wire to hang someone with…
Is ALL of that wire hooked up to something?
Since I work as an installer for Simplex I must say something. That is a wiring hack job. I wonder if that cable is riser or plenum rated? Should be plenum if it is open air wiring. Since it looks like it is on a relatively finished ceiling, it should probably be in conduit, but if not the box should have one of the knockouts punched out and a plastic bushing installed to prevent the wire jacket from fraying. There shouldn’t be a loop of cable just hanging there. I have learned to keep stuff neat and professional, and even my rather inexperienced hand can do a better job than that.
Patrick
p.s. the cardinal rule of device installation is “never ever cause a ground fault”
System Sensor! :evil:
At my middle school, the 892s in the cafetorium (cafeteria and auditorium) were a little bit loose.
That doesn’t seem like a bad installation job, that just seems like alarms coming loose overtime…
I agree there and they might of by now, I haven’t been in that building in about 2 years. I would of like to have seen if they wanted to remain with a Notifier system (they have/had a System 5000 panel, replacing maybe an old 2001 system or some other large simplex panel, as evidence from the replacment brick job under the panel), Spectras in the hallways totally replacing the MA/SSes and 4050-80s and a spectra horn/strobe over each enterence, and a strobe in the bedroom of each unit (each unit only had a PA400R in it, plenty loud to wake me and my girlfirend up, but a lot of people slept through them), BG-12s (the old 4251-20s from the old system still worked great), an I3s in the hallways totally replacing the wiffle ball smokes.
But back on topic.
At my former employer, the FCI labled flush mount MTL in the customer ladies room is/was hanging on by 1 screw (I was in there cleaning it [not a fun job] ). I told one of the co-managers, even showed it to him (no one was in the batroom when we walked in), and he said “I’ll tell Bert (the store manager) to put a call in” but he never did. I’d be willing to bet it’s still hanging there. About the only thing he (the store manager) took seriously from me was when I reported the annunicator malfunctioning, and he only was only going to look at it to “humor” me :roll: (but it was fun watching the techs work on it) Any wonder why I quit that place :lol: (Price Chopper is treating me very well)
Or even better; use SpectrAlert Advances!