Fire Alarms in Buildings (2.0)

Bryce Canyon Visitor Center - Bryce Canyon National Park

I came here not even expecting any fire alarm system, as many places in this area of Utah do not have systems. when I walked in, i saw a NOTIFIER AFP-100 FACP (pictured below). after some more investigation, i found a PDI NOTIFIER NBG12-LX, branded with “NOTIFIER by Honeywell” (pictured below). The detectors were FSP-751’s (pictured below) and the N/A’s were System Sensor SpectrAlert Classic (pictured below).

AFP-100

NBG12-LX

FSP-751

SpectrAlert Classic

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Nice system! but bg12s cant be pdi with honeywell lettering unless its a door swap which is very unlikely.

Bismarck Hotel- Bismarck, ND
(In the 60’s, this may have been an extremely large and luxurious “resort”, but it is now extremely run down and the system reflects that.)

Panel- Most likely a Simplex 4002 but it may have been upgraded without any of the devices being changed

Notification Appliances- Simplex 2901-9838 horns on 4903-9101 strobe plates

Pull stations- Simplex 4251-20’s

Smoke Detectors- mostly Simplex 2908-9201 smoke detector heads on 2098-9211 bases but there are also some replacement conventional TrueAlarms

Heat Detectors- I saw some Edwards heat detectors in the bathrooms. (This is not a sprinklered building)

Issues- This place has so many that I had to make a list.

  1. This system has some extreme notification appliance coverage issues. Many of the rooms have no signals (including the huge indoor waterpark). The rooms that do have signals have very few for their size.

  2. Many of the signals look to be in poor condition or are blocked. For example, I saw a projector screen in front of one of the signals in an event hall.

  3. One of the heat detectors in the bathroom was hanging from the wires.

  4. (Not really fire alarm related but still life safety related.) Almost all of the exit signs in the building were either very damaged, did not work, were completely wrong, or were just completely missing from the back box.

  5. There is almost no emergency lighting in the building. The stuff that is there looks extremely damaged and old. Im guessing they work just about as well as the exit signs.

  6. There are very few exits.

  7. The lighting is very poor. There are quite a few windows, but I’m guessing that it would probably be very dark during the night.

  8. This is a HUGE building with hundreds of rooms. The building is not sprinklered and has a very lacking fire protection system overall.

This whole building definitely just needs a complete overhaul. Not only are the life safety systems very lacking, but the building is just very behind on maintenance overall.

thanks for the input! never knew that!

I have seen many interesting systems in Croatia and i want to post one or two. Which one should i post here?

  • Interesting euro notifier
  • old euro notifier with american components
  • notifier/system sensor mix
  • EST 3
  • Canadian system
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Caesar’s Palace - Las Vegas, NV
Sorry for no pictures
Recently I visited Caesar’s Palace in Las Vegas, for dinner. while entering, I saw a Simplex 4904-9138 white strobe. more devices were TrueAlert horn strobes, TrueAlert speaker strobes, TrueAlert strobes, 4903 speaker strobes, and LifeAlarm speakers. there were no pulls at entrances or exits, but I did find some scattered around the forum shops. the pulls were Simplex 4099-9003 dual action pulls, and the smokes were addressable TrueAlarm detectors.

Pius IX high school
Milwaukee, WI

Voice Evac Simplex System


They had some old Edward’s bells in the older section. Also the smoke detector in the second picture still had the paint cover left on it.

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its not a paint cover actually, the detector is broken. its prone for these to break like that easily

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Today, me and my family went to the Chateau restaurant in Stoughton, MA for Easter Sunday dinner. They have a Fire-Lite MS-5UD-3 system that still has alarm signals from when the restaurant was built in the early 1980s! The alarms are largely older Wheelock 7002(T) horn/strobes with the open grille, but the room we ate in had a Federal Signal Vibratone 450D horn/strobe, mounted on the ceiling (despite the strobe being the wall-mount version)!
There was a Simplex 2099-9754 pull station in the main entrance vestibule, obviously replacing an older pull of some kind in the 1990s (it had the Simplex logo with the large hourglass “S” icon); obviously at one time Simplex serviced the restaurant’s system. I didn’t see any smoke or heat detectors, but there were fire sprinklers everywhere, so it didn’t matter much.

Yeah, I’ve been seeing quite a bit of Autocall now as well, especially since NSG Life Safety is just one town over from where I live! Even my therapist’s office got an Autocall-branded 4007ES panel installed a few months ago to replace their Silent Knight IFP-100 (no TrueAlerts; they still have the Wheelock MT-24-LSMs and an NS and a few Exceders from the previous systems).
I did see a few newer school buildings in the greater Boston area go with Autocall-branded 4100ES mass notification systems that do use TrueAlertES speaker/strobes for fire and remote amber strobes for non-fire emergencies.
With Autocall, I’m pretty sure why it’s getting popular is because you’re basically getting Simplex products for a lower price compared to directly from JC/Simplex.

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Minneapolis-Saint Paul Airport
Panel- Honeywell XLS-1000

Annunciator- Honeywell Rebranded EST E85010-0148

Notification Appliances- Wheelock S8’s, E70’s, Exceeder remote strobes, and RSS’

Smoke Detectors- Honeywell branded versions of Notifier 751 and 851 series smoke detectors

Pull Stations- Honeywell S464A’s (There must be monitor modules)

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monitor modules are probably m501 mini mods


At the Super 8 near me and the Denny’s next door

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That looks like a Spectronics rebranded 1st generation 7002t without the strobe.

I’ve always wondered why budget motels (especially Wyndham’s economy brands) only have audible NAs outside the rooms in the halls and no devices or detectors inside the rooms.

That would be a 34-24 then (no idea what the Spectronics model number could be though).

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Hilton Daytona Beach Oceanfront Resort

Panel: Notifier Addressable Panel (Pre-Honeywell, Early FlashScan)

Lobby and Corridors
Pulls: NBG-12LXes
Detectors: FSP-851s and at least one FSP-951
AVs: Wheelock E70s

Convention Center
Pulls: NBG-12LXes
Detectors: FSP-851s
AVs: Wheelock ET1010-WS-24s (Only the second building I’ve ever seen these in)

Pool Area/Outside
Pulls: NBG-12LXes
AVs: Gentex WSSPK speaker/strobes and Wheelock ET70WPs

Rooms
Detectors: FirstAlert SA9120BCPN residential smoke alarms
AVs: Unknown speakers

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how do they run es notification off of a 4100U?

They’re likely just being used as addressable notification devices, which the 4100U can run, but it doesn’t have the ability to use self-test.

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EST3 system i found in a mall in Croatia. really diverse system. Has a suppression part awell. also has voice evac.

Older EST addressable call point
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EST SIGI-270 which replaced an older EST call point


STI stopper push button for suppression abort and EST SIGA-278-REL addressable suppression release pull station. This was for some sort of mechanical rooms in the parking garage.

EST integrity ceiling speaker strobes. These were the main source of signalling in the upper floors. Some places had these on the wall with ceiling strobe.
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KAC ema sounder. These were used in the underground parts of the mall.
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KAC ema sounder in the parking garages. These were the signalling for the parking garage. most of these where next to the CO alarm sign.

EST SIGA-PS, EST led indicator and EST integrity speaker. this was the average installation in a shop.

EST SIGA-PS, System Sensor led indicator and EST integrity speaker. This was a little newer install as the LED indicator isn’t EST. It is an older indicator though as the LED is red not clear.

Either a SIGA2-PS or a SIGA-PD. can’t tell as the cover was on at the time of this picture. this was in a shop where the space was renovated.
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Siemens conventional sounder and yellow conventional call point for fire door/curtain activation. these doors are now redundant as the area which they were protecting were sealed off but the panel controlling the doors was still active.

EST led indicator for elevator shaft detector.

Quite interesting system with American elements.

Those are both made by other companies aren’t they? (or at least the second one: I know Ei Electronics once rebranded it)

Neat! I do believe that’s the first actual system I’ve seen to have one of those SIGA-278-REL stations!

Odd if you ask me since the standard fire strobe color in Europe seems to be red: is that also the case in Croatia?

White notification appliances aren’t just a thing in North America huh?

Siemens? Odd if you ask me considering most of the rest of the system is Edwards/EST.

Indeed, indeed!

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