Just three horns in the second bowling alley that you guys went to? Must have been a small bowling alley.
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Just three horns in the second bowling alley that you guys went to? Must have been a small bowling alley.
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It was actually really big, with the two alarms on both sides of the back wall and the other in the middle where the entrance hall and the pull station were. There might have been another in the kitchen and bathrooms but who knows
Never heard of Wheelock 7002Ts in bathrooms but I didn’t think bathrooms could have 9219s or 9838s either.
Kohl’s - Burlington, MA
Panel: Simplex 4010 or 4008, judging by the 4606-9101 annunciator
Pull stations: 4099-9003’s
Signals: TrueAlert horn/strobes - wall-mounts on the ceiling. :roll:
Reminds me of a SpectrAlert Advance wall mount speaker/strobe that is on the ceiling at my college.
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Never heard of Wheelock 7002Ts in bathrooms but I didn’t think bathrooms could have 9219s or 9838s either.
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bathroom corridor i meant. their was probably nothing or at the very least some ws-24s in there
Yeah with that now I can see it.
Alright I just went through a car wash today and here are these two alarms that kinda surprised me. Stuff like this might be kinda common but I didn’t pay much attention before.
At the start of the wash, there is a System Sensor SpectrAlert Advance chime/strobe which was white, had an amber strobe, and marked “AGENT”. It was constantly flashing at a low candela rate and dinged once when the wash opened.
Then at the end, there was a Potter/Amseco/MirCOM FHS multitone horn/strobe which was white, had a blue strobe, and marked ”ALERT”. It did not go off.
Looks like the signals with the “SMOKE” lettering, reported to be the System Sensor RTS-2, are more common now. Which buildings did I spot one of these in:
1: The new 2013 Springfield, Vermont McDonald’s
2: Hobby Lobby in Claremont, NH (a former K-Mart building that used to have Simplex equipment, with 4903-9101s and 2901-9838s (if I got the cat. numbers correct) )
3: The building that was formerly the Claremont, NH Staples, that is now a Harbor Freight. (which used to have Wheelock ASes.) I thought I saw new System Sensor horn/strobes or speaker/strobes.
So what do they have now?
Motown Museum (Detroit)
Annunciator/panel:
Unknown, presumably FCI
Detectors:
Gamewell-FCI, model unknown. They appear to be System Sensor 2251-series detectors with bases.
Pull stations:
FCI MS-6 models
Notification appliances:
FCI HEF/STW horn/strobes, originally manufactured by Faraday. All of these devices are ceiling-mounted.
Detex EA500 door alarms on emergency exit doors
In addition to the regular alarm system, a couple of the exhibits feature two vintage devices:
The original lobby features a Tonepak 302T or 303 vibrating bell, used as a general signaling device.
Inside of Studio A, there is an Edwards 374 Adaptahorn mounted on a wooden plank.
The Puppet Showplace Theater in Brookline, MA has a Fire-Lite MS-9050UD addressable system. But signal placement is unusual. I only saw one SpectrAlert Advance horn/strobe in the main lobby, and the theater itself only had a remote SpectrAlert Advance strobe! Then again, there may have also been a horn/strobe behind the backstage curtain, and the doorway from the lobby to the theater also simply had a curtain instead of an actual door. There was another remote strobe in the lobby as well, along with one in each restroom. The initiating devices were more typical; Fire-Lite SD-355 smoke detectors and BG-12LX pull stations with Stopper II covers.
The Downtown Crossing subway station in Boston had a fire alarm upgrade a while back! Prior to this, they had an FCI system of some kind with Wheelock A-MT horn/strobes and FCI MS-7 pulls (their version of the BG-12) behind Stopper II covers, and I also recall seeing System Sensor 2151 smoke detectors in the required areas (the transit card store, at the elevator, etc.)
But now they have a Notifier voice-evac system! I didn’t see the panel, but chances are it’s an NFS2-640. The new alarms are white ceiling-mount SpectrAlert Advance speakers and speaker/strobes, the smoke detectors are Notifier FSP-851s (on the new-style base), and the pulls are NBG-12LXs, mounted right where the old FCI BG-12s were; they even reused the existing Stopper II covers (including a VERY DIRTY one that almost completely hides the pull station when covered!) Surprisingly on the Red Line subway platform I saw a Wheelock A-MT horn/strobe still up, but it’s probably disconnected.
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Motown Museum (Detroit)
Annunciator/panel:
Unknown, presumably FCI
Detectors:
Gamewell-FCI, model unknown. They appear to be System Sensor 2251-series detectors with bases.
Pull stations:
FCI MS-6 models
Notification appliances:
FCI HEF/STW horn/strobes, originally manufactured by Faraday. All of these devices are ceiling-mounted.
Detex EA500 door alarms on emergency exit doors
In addition to the regular alarm system, a couple of the exhibits feature two vintage devices:
The original lobby features a Tonepak 302T or 303 vibrating bell, used as a general signaling device.
Inside of Studio A, there is an Edwards 374 Adaptahorn mounted on a wooden plank.
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I’d like to add that the museum also features older Gentex detectors; they’re 824-series models (without the strobe), and they are found on the ceiling above the elevator doors.
Navy Pier had a ginormous system, couldn’t tell what it was, but from other devices seen it was most likely Gamewell-FCI. Main alarms at the main mall-area are System Sensor L-Series and SpectrAlert Advance speaker/strobes (first time seeing L-Series speaker/strobes clearly in person) Two L-Series strobes were marked on each side near the enterence. There were only mostly L-series NAs in the main area, the food court had only Advance NAs. Other than one Classic SpectrAlert in a restaurant, all other alarms were Wheelock and Faraday. There were mostly Wheelock ET70s in other areas, and one corner of the building had both a ET70 and an E50 on the ceiling! A majority amount of RSS strobes can be found about too. A couple Wheelock ET1080 NAs could be found too (vertical strobe)
On another part of Navy Pier, there are a ton of Faraday flush-mounted speaker/strobes, however there was a surface mount on a red box, possibly for previous NA. (these all resembled CP MTL/EH appliances for simplicity sake).
I only spotted one pull station; a BG-12 probably rebranded by Gamewell-FCI. Smokes however were plentiful. There were many smoke detectors that seemed to resemble System Sensor 2400s and some detector of the ATD series by elevators.
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Navy Pier had a ginormous system, couldn’t tell what it was, but from other devices seen it was most likely Gamewell-FCI. Main alarms at the main mall-area are System Sensor L-Series and SpectrAlert Advance speaker/strobes (first time seeing L-Series speaker/strobes clearly in person) Two L-Series strobes were marked on each side near the enterence. There were only mostly L-series NAs in the main area, the food court had only Advance NAs. Other than one Classic SpectrAlert in a restaurant, all other alarms were Wheelock and Faraday. There were mostly Wheelock ET70s in other areas, and one corner of the building had both a ET70 and an E50 on the ceiling! A majority amount of RSS strobes can be found about too. A couple Wheelock ET1080 NAs could be found too (vertical strobe)
On another part of Navy Pier, there are a ton of Faraday flush-mounted speaker/strobes, however there was a surface mount on a red box, possibly for previous NA. (these all resembled CP MTL/EH appliances for simplicity sake).
I only spotted one pull station; a BG-12 probably rebranded by Gamewell-FCI. Smokes however were plentiful. There were many smoke detectors that seemed to resemble System Sensor 2400s and some detector of the ATD series by elevators.
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Interesting… sounds like the renovations that were going on when I was there last year are complete. When I was there, I saw everything that you saw minus the L-series devices (which must be brand-new), but also several EST Genesis and Integrity speakers and speaker/strobes. Maybe those were eliminated during the renovation? I wonder if the entire building is eventually going to have L-series speaker/strobes or if the work is complete…
Royal Poinciana Country Club - Naples, FL
Pull stations: EST SIGA-278’s
Detectors: The older SIGA series, SIGA2’s and the new SIGA-PHD.
Signals: Wheelock E70, E90, E60, and E50 speaker/strobes and ET70WP’s outside.
This used to be a Fire-Lite system, most of the speaker/strobes were kept.
So does that mean that everything else in the system was replaced when it was changed over to EST?
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So does that mean that everything else in the system was replaced when it was changed over to EST?
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Yes.
A recap of the fire alarm system at the Boston Park Plaza Hotel, where I spent the weekend at for Anthro New England 2019. It’s a large high-rise hotel built in 1927 and has had some renovations since then, including a few years ago. This time I saw some more of the system, since I actually spent the night there this year and checked out more panels and events at the convention…
The system is a Simplex 4100ES, to my knowledge (given the recent renovations, and that when I heard it go off last year it did the newer-style Simplex chiming tone.) At the check-in desk and near another entrance, there are 4603-9101 LCD annunciators; one of them with red trim.
The majority of the alarm signals are white Simplex 4903-9167 and 4903-9193 horizontal speaker/strobes, installed in the 90s. On several of the hotel floor corridors and in each hotel room (at least) there is a Simplex 4902-9721 ceiling-mount speaker. On the lobby and mezzanine levels, there are also several white 4906-9153 TrueAlert speaker/strobes, and in a little convenience store/gift shop there is a 4906-9151 ceiling-mount TrueAlert speaker/strobe. In a stairwell on the third floor there is a red Simplex 4903-9168 speaker/strobe. Also in a random restroom on the fourth floor and in the fitness center in the lower lobby, there are red Simplex 4906-9151 TrueAlert speaker/strobes. But there are also a few Simplex 4090-91 speakers on 2903 plates in random areas, including on the stage in the main ballroom, and in one of the panel rooms on the fourth floor. They are rear mount (making them either 2903-9001s or 2903-9101s). I wouldn’t be surprised if they actually still work. White 4906-91093 remote TrueAlert strobes are also provided for additional strobe coverage where needed. Above one of the white 4903 speaker/strobes on the mezzanine level is a large old bell flush-mounted behind a grille, probably part of the original 1927 fire alarm system. It doesn’t work anymore, obviously.
The majority of the pull stations are Simplex 2099-9795 single-action T-bars, most of them with trim plates. In the lobby and mezzanine levels, there are some 4099-9006 dual-action pulls with the LED indicator. One of these has a Stopper II cover in the main lobby, and I saw another at one of the other entrances with a different generic plastic cover over it. In one hallway there’s a 4099-9003 dual-action pull with a Stopper II cover, and on the stage in the main ballroom there’s a Simplex 4251-30 GA pull that is missing the break-glass frame and hammer.
All system smoke detectors I saw were 4098-9714 photoelectric TrueAlarms on 4098-9792 bases. The hotel room I slept in had what appeared to be a commercial First Alert smoke alarm of some kind.
My guess is that the hotel first went with Simplex in the early 80s, hence the random 2903+4090 speaker/visuals, and it was probably a Simplex 2120 system or something. Then in the mid-to-late 90s, they upgraded to a Simplex 4120, and then with the recent renovations that got replaced with a Simplex 4100ES.
Winsport Daylodge at Canada Olympic Park has a GIGANTIC Siemens FireFinder XLS (panel located behind front desk, replacing an Edwards 6500), with Edwards 439D-6AWC bells. There is one Edwards 884D or 885D horn, but it is disconnected. Pulls are Edwards 275-C111.