How can you tell it is disconnected?
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How can you tell it is disconnected?
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It says 125VAC, plus it’s the only Adaptahorn. The bells were added around the early-mid 1990s, and the Siemens panel in 2015/16, and I am not sure how they got the old Edwards pulls to work on there, thus not being set up in an addressable manner.
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How can you tell it is disconnected?
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It says 125VAC, plus it’s the only Adaptahorn. The bells were added around the early-mid 1990s, and the Siemens panel in 2015/16, and I am not sure how they got the old Edwards pulls to work on there, thus not being set up in an addressable manner.
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Probably have modules wired with the pull stations if it’s addressable, Or those panels usually have a zone card for use with conventional zones.
Since you said it was VAC, what color was it?
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Since you said it was VAC, what color was it?
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it was red.
Huh. I thought all red Adaptahorns were DC. Oh well. Just learned something new.
My Dad’s Office:
Notification Appliances:
System Sensor SPSCWs (the lobby and 20th floor)
System Sensor SPSCWLs (most of the 22nd floor)
System Sensor SWLs (the parts of the 22nd floor without SPSCWLs)
System Sensor SCW (my dad’s office, weirdly the only office with a notification appliance)
System Sensor SCWL (one random one on the 22nd floor)
Atlas Speaker: (the hallway that leads to the woman’s restroom and stairwell on the 22nd floor)
Gentex GXS: (the men’s restroom on the 22nd floor)
Generic 4 inch speakers: (the parts of the 22nd floor with the SWLs)
Initiating Devices:
(older) Notifier BNG-1 (the 1st floor next to the door to the parking garage)
(newer) Notifier BNG-1s (on the 22nd floor)
Notifier NBG-12LXs (on the 20th floor and one on the 22nd floor)
Notifier FSP-851s (the 1st and 22nd floors)
Notifier FSP-851Ts (on the 20th floor)
Notifier FSP-751s (on the 22nd floor)
Panel:
Most likely a Notifier NFS2-3030 with DVC
The speakers are set to slow whoop
Topgolf (Houston, TX):
Notification Appliances:
System Sensor PC2Ws
System Sensor SCWs
Initiating Devices:
Notifier NOT-BG-12-LXs
Notifier NP-100s
Notifier N-ANN-80 annunciator
H Mart (Katy, TX):
Notification Appliances:
System Sensor PC2RLs
System Sensor PC2WLs (yes, there were both red and white ones)
System Sensor SCRLs
System Sensor SCWLs
System Sensor SCW (by the entrance)
Initiating Devices:
Silent Knight SK-PHOTOs (with the larger Honeywell logos)
no pull stations or panels/annunciators…
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Nakiska Ski Resort has two lodges.
The Nakiska Daylodge has an Edwards Custom 6500 system, with Edwards 881ALD-AW/881D-AW horns. Pulls are Edwards 274-111, smokes are Edwards EDW1451A.
Mid-Mountain Lodge has a Mircom FA-1000 system replacing an Edwards 2280 (the FA-1000 is in the 2280’s cabinet), with Edwards 439D-6AWC bells. Pulls are a mix of Edwards 274-111 and Edwards 275-C111, smokes are unknown, heat detectors are Edwards 280B-PL.
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I was here again, and the Custom 6500 in the daylodge has been replaced with a Mircom FA-1000 (installed in the 6500’s cabinet). All Edwards devices are kept.
Also, some of the smoke detectors have been replaced, mostly with System Sensor i3’s, but also an ESL 711U.
The system has since been upgraded and the information in this post is no longer true.
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Earls in Dalhousie has a Simplex 4006 system, with possibly Simplex TrueAlert horn/strobes. Pulls were probably Simplex 4099-9001. I’ll give an update in the future about this system.
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I was here again, and the alarms are Simplex 4906-9127. Pulls are two Notifier MPS-950B by the entrance, and a Mircom MS-401 in the “kitchen”.
The Shriner’s Auditorium in Wilmington, MA had a fire alarm upgrade of sorts a while back.
It was originally built presumably with an Edwards fire alarm system, as I saw a disconnected and painted over 382 projector Adaptahorn in the auditorium area. In the 80s, they upgraded to a system with Wheelock 7002T horn/strobes, Edwards/AIP-270 pulls and heat sensors. It was probably a Fire-Lite system or something. Then during the 2000s when a bar area was renovated, Wheelock AS horn/strobes were installed in that area. Outside there was a Federal Signal Vibratone 450D horn/strobe.
Some time last year, they underwent yet another upgrade; all the Wheelock 7002Ts got replaced with System Sensor L-series horn/strobes. The Wheelock ASs and were replaced with SpectrAlert Advance horn/strobes (clearing out old stock, probably), and a weatherproof Advance replaced the Vibratone 450D. The pulls and heat sensors are still the same.
Duffy’s Sports Grill near Miami Beach, Florida surprisingly has a Gamewell-FCI Voice Evac system with white Wheelock ET70 speaker/strobes and white ZNS remote strobes, with many of these ones being ceiling mounted. Outside there are ET70WP and RSSWP appliances. Pulls are Gamewell-FCI variants of the BG-12. This is by far the smallest system I have ever encountered with speakers.
I’m gonna post about the rest of the systems from my spring break trip in another post.
Parkview Elementary School (Novi)
Annunciators/panel:
Unknown, presumably Edwards
Detectors:
None noticed
Pull stations:
Edwards 270-SPO pull stations, with the triangular Edwards logo and break rods
Notification appliances:
Edwards 892-series horn/strobes throughout
Crestwood High School (Dearborn Heights)
Annunciators/panel:
Unknown, presumably National Time
Detectors:
None noticed
Pull stations:
Most locations have National Time 641 pull stations behind plastic STI covers. All of these pull stations are mounted at non-ADA levels, given the age of the building.
The stage area inside the cafeteria contains a National Time 620M, which is also the only station I noticed without a protective cover.
Notification appliances:
National Time 411F horns throughout
It would appear this building previously had vibrating bells both inside and outside for class change, but those were removed (and their housings covered with metal plates) a long time ago.
Update: The Duffy’s system is an E3 voice evac system. It seems like these are common in small buildings that have speaker strobes.
This morning I did a mascot appearance at the Indian Head Elementary School in Hanson, MA. The school was built in 1951, with expansions in the early 60s and the late 90s. (There’s even a fallout shelter sign next to one of the entrances!)
With the late 90s addition and renovation, the school had a Simplex fire alarm system installed, probably a Simplex 4010 or maybe a 4020. The alarms were vertical rectangular 4903 horn/strobes, probably electronic, along with newer-style TrueAlarm smoke detectors and T-bar pulls that were either single or dual-action. Each classroom also had one of those modular classroom panels installed, with a slave clock (newer Simplex style), intercom speaker and switch, thermostat, telephone and light switches.
In 2015, the Simplex system was removed (the school district has a policy of sorts where fire alarm systems over 15 years old must be replaced) and replaced with a rather boring Siemens system with Wheelock ZNS horn/strobes, RSG dual-action pulls, and Siemens FireSmart smoke detectors (no heat sensor on them.) Many of the ZNS horn/strobes are on adapter plates (mainly RPRs) to cover up the hole left from the Simplex alarms. If it wasn’t for the smoke detectors, and the fact Wheelock exclusively makes the ZNS for Siemens now, it’d pretty much be no different from your run-of-the-mill lower-cost fire alarm system that isn’t a Honeywell subsidiary.
The Simplex clocks are mostly still intact, but instead of a smooth sweep from the second hand they now advance forward every second like on a typical quartz clock, which means they probably have a newer non-Simplex master clock, probably one from American Time and Signal, since I also saw some of their clocks in classrooms I visited (designed to resemble the Simplex clocks somewhat.)
E.J. Mandziuk & Son - Sterling Heights Chapel (Sterling Heights)
Annunciators/panel:
Older Simplex 4010 panel
Detectors:
None noticed
Pull stations:
Surprisingly, I did not notice any pull stations throughout this building.
Notification appliances:
Simplex 4903-9425 horn/strobes, but only in the hallways, and also, without the TrueAlert branding.
Vacation time- oh wait I just got back, uhh-
Not part of the vacation, but Walgreens in Ivanhoe has a smallish Fire-Lite system, with ceiling mount Wheelock NS horn/strobes, which are pretty rare from what I’ve seen. Pulls are Fire-Lite BG-12s.
Chicago O’hare Int’l has a LARGE RANGED Siemens MXL system, with Siemens ZH-MC-R horn/strobes everywhere except for the walkway and plane queue rooms. Even the bathrooms have horn/strobes, with one bathroom having TWO horns! Pulls are Siemens HMS-Ses and smokes are OP121s. I saw one EST Genesis horn/strobe in a bathroom and an Integrity device in a restaurant. Many Edwards AdaptaBels were used for signaling in jet bridges, and I even heard a few ringing!
On my way back I noticed a couple Siemens ASes (one in a bathroom :/) and an ST (Wheelock RSS). TWO white Space Age Electronics AV32 horn/lights were mounted close to each other in the entrance for I don’t know why, but it was definitely general signaling. I didn’t see any FIRE lettering.
Miami Int’l Airport has some form of mixed system, with System Sensor SpectrAlert Advance wall and ceiling mounted strobes both red and white. Obviously it seems the PA system covers the tones and message, although the PA speakers are EVERYWHERE, theres like 3 in a bathroom space. There are some sections with SpectrAlert Classic and L-Series strobes and one Wheelock LSM. Smokes consist of mostly Edwards devices, the most being SIGA-PS and a few other detectors by them and System Sensor, from them the most being the 2400 and the SD355. One of the crossover hallways had Wheelock MT-LSM horn/strobes although the horn parts may be disconnected. One MT remote horn was put near a locked door. In the luggage check-in, there was a Wheelock RSSB blue strobe (just like the ones in my school) possibly for any issues like bringing bad items into the area.
Walgreens in Sunny Isles Beach, Florida has an unknown system, primarily because there was no visible pull station, I’m just going to assume Silent Knight. The store has two Gentex Commander 1 horn/strobes on adjacent walls and theres one Wheelock MIZ minihorn/strobe on the ceiling. In the bathroom corridors there is one non-ADA MASS horn/strobe. One System Sensor vertical “SMOKE” minihorn/strobe was on a pillar in the middle of the store.
Solé Hotel, the place me and my family stayed at, has a MASSIVE high-rise Siemens FireFinder XLSV system, the main alarms being Siemens S-LP70 speaker/strobes. There was one Siemens SE-MC-R (Wheelock E50) by an exit in the restaurant. Many MCS strobes are installed mostly by exits, individual rooms, and tight halls. Stairwells feature LP70 remote speaker variants. Units feature a Siemens ceiling mount remote speaker on the wall, as well as a Kidde I4618 smoke alarm next to it. In the fitness and meeting rooms there are Siemens SET-MC-R (Wheelock E70) speaker/strobes, in the Men’s spa theres a SET-MC-CW (Wheelock E90) speaker/strobe. Outside, there are mostly Siemens SET-WP (ET70WP) speaker/strobes by the pool and in parking garages, with a few ST-WP (RSSWP) strobes on the sides of the hotel. Other outdoor areas feature Siemens S-LP25MGs. Pulls are Siemens HMS-Ses, HMS-Ds, and MSM-Ks outdoors or in parking garages. Smokes are all HFP-11s.
Winn-Dixie on the Eastern Shores of Sunny Isles Beach has a small Fire-Lite system with SpectrAlert Advance wall/ceiling horn/strobes and remote strobes. Originally, judging by older closed-off back-boxes and by other stores in the plaza, there used to be Wheelock MT horn/strobes with some even ceiling mounted. Pulls are Fire-Lite BG-12s. There are SD355 smokes mounted at the front of the store.
The Lincoln Eatery in South Beach has a connected Fire-Lite system to the rest of the building, with the majority of alarms being System Sensor L-Series horn/strobes and strobes. SpectrAlert Advance horn/strobes are in the back of kitchens for the restaurants, and in a bar-ish area theres a ceiling mount strobe. Pulls are Fire-Lite BG-12s.
Laguardia Airport near New York City has a Siemens MXL system. Equal amounts of Siemens U-MMT-MCSes and Siemens HS-MC-Rs are installed, even in the bathrooms. Smokes are Siemens HFP-11s and pulls are Siemens CHEVRONS with many having the lift cover on. Many AdaptaHorns were mounted for individual general signaling.
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That renovated area has:
Pull stations: Notifier NBG-12L’s
Detectors: System Sensor 2151’s
Signals: Wheelock Exceder horn/strobes
The system has since been upgraded and the information in this post is no longer true.
I assume that just the area that was redone has new alarms and not anywhere else?