We gonna see the 5208 soon?
It’s the panel in the first post I made… Like I said, I have no idea why I have so much trouble with images. I’ve tried using Imagur as well as the attachments tab, and nothing really works, unless I’m technologically incompetent, which is also a possibility :oops:
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It’s the panel in the first post I made… Like I said, I have no idea why I have so much trouble with images. I’ve tried using Imagur as well as the attachments tab, and nothing really works, unless I’m technologically incompetent, which is also a possibility :oops:
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Read this post: https://forums.thefirepanel.com/t/correctly-posting-images-to-tfp-attachments-workaround/2255/1
I know its in your first post but it didn’t come through. I was just wondering that since you manually posted the second panel which didn’t come through on a different post if you were gonna do this for that panel as well.
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Okay so I’ll try again then… I’ve read all of the stuff about posting images before but I still have trouble, which is why I rarely post pictures… I’ve never had problems except on this site for some reason :roll: Sorry about that!
Lunds & Byerlys Groceries (Downtown) - Minneapolis, MN
Panel: Simplex 4010ES (there’s a 4606-9102 annunciator)
Pull stations: 4099-9001’s
Detectors: Newer TrueAlarms
Signals: TrueAlert horn/strobes
I just recently came back from a vacation in Portland, Oregon, and I discovered some interesting systems along the way.
Detroit Metropolitan Airport (Romulus) - This post covers the North Terminal of the property. Unless otherwise noted, all of the following devices are rebranded by Siemens.
Annunciators/panel: Unknown, presumably an addressable Siemens system
Detectors:
FDT421 or HI921 thermal heate detectors
System Sensor 400-series ionization detectors inside some of the jet bridges
Pull stations:
MSI-20B pull stations behind STI-1250-series covers
Notification appliances:
System Sensor 1st-generation P2WH horn/strobes (used for general signaling purposes)
E50 speaker/strobes
E50-R speakers
MT-24MCW-FR horn/strobes (used for general signaling purposes; sounds in a continuous piezo when activated)
ZRS-MCC-FR strobes (ceiling-mount)
ZRS-MCW-FW strobes with blue lights (used for general signaling purposes)
Seattle-Tacoma Metropolitan Airport (Seattle, WA)
Concourse N
Annunciators/panel: Unknown, presumably an addressable Simplex system
Detectors:
Simplex TrueAlarm-series photoelectric detectors
Pull stations:
Simplex 2099-series single-action pull stations
Notification appliances:
Simplex TrueAlert ES-series speaker/strobes (wall and ceiling-mount)
Main Concourse
Annunciators/panel: Unknown
Detectors:
System Sensor 400-series ionization detectors inside some of the jet bridges
Pull stations:
Vintage(!) Autocall 4015 pull stations in the underground subway area
Autocall 4050-series lift/pull stations throughout much of the concourse
Notification appliances:
Federal Signal A4 bells inside some of the jet bridges
Federal Signal 350 Vibratone horns inside some of the jet bridges
Federal Signal SelecTone speakers with Federal Signal VALS strobes, including units with only VALS strobes on flush plates (wall and ceiling-mount)
System Sensor MA/SS horn/strobes (white; wall and ceiling-mount; used for general signaling purposes; sounds in a hi-lo tone when activated)
System Sensor 1st-generation Advance horn/strobes (white; used for general signaling purposes; sounds in temporal coding when activated)
System Sensor 2nd-generation SpectrAlert horn/strobes (white; used for general signaling purposes)
Wheelock ET70 speaker/strobes
Wheelock RSS strobes
Portland International Airport (Portland, OR)
Annunciators/panel: Unknown
Detectors:
EST SIGA-series photoelectric detectors
Pull stations:
Edwards 270-SPO pull stations with the triangular Edwards logo and glass rods
Honeywell S464A pull stations
Notification appliances:
Wheelock E70-W speakers (white; wall and ceiling-mount)
Wheelock E90-W speakers (white; wall and ceiling-mount)
Wheelock RSS strobes (white)
It does make me wanna ask about why you need so many different alarms for general signaling. How many functions do you need general signaling for? :shock:
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It does make me wanna ask about why you need so many different alarms for general signaling. How many functions do you need general signaling for? :shock:
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Airports, for one, have several areas with restricted access. If an employee needs access to such areas, they would need to input some type of authorization, such as entering a door keycode, before gaining access. If the access is unauthorized, an alarm would sound. This is akin to opening a fire exit door inside of a stockroom for deliveries without first disarming the door alarm. That is what the vast majority of general signaling alarms inside airports are for.
In regards to jet bridges, I would guess alarms inside of them would sound for safety purposes, such as a smoke condition, or when the bridge expands/contracts its walkway.
Here’s a video with a Vibratone used as a door alarm.
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That doesn’t really sound like one but I get where you are coming from.
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That doesn’t really sound like one but I get where you are coming from.
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I think it’s the actual fire alarm, with what looks like a 1990s Wheelock solid state horn or Faraday solid state horn.
Or it could be an electronic Federal Signal horn since they do make those but I’m not sure if they also use them for fire alarm applications also.
Here’s the second and final set of unique systems I discovered while vacationing in Portland, Oregon:
The Dossier
Annunciators/panel: Unknown, presumably an addressable Notifier system
Detectors:
Notifier NP-100 photoelectric models
Pull stations:
Notifier BG-10 models
Notifier BG-12 models replacing BG-10s that broke down
Notification appliances:
One Gentex SSPK24WLP-series speaker/strobe (white) in the customer service lobby area
Gentex SPKE4-series speakers and speaker/strobes (all white) throughout the hotel
Kidde i9000-series smoke detectors inside the hotel rooms, next to the SPKE4 speaker units
One Potter MBA-series 10" bell (red) outside, used as a sprinkler indicator
*According to an evacuation plan on our hotel room door, the signal coding from the panel is a “whooping tone”.
Nordstrom (701 Southwest Broadway Street)
Annunciators/panel, detectors: All unknown
Pull stations:
Cerberus Pyrotronics MS-151 models, all mounted at non-ADA levels
Notification appliances:
Unknown; they consist of 6" and 10" red bells scattered throughout the building. While they all had serial tags, due to how high they were mounted, I was unable to ID them. If I had to guess, they’re likely Cerberus Pyrotronics or Pyrotronics bells.
Pearl Bakery
The only device I saw was still unique–a Wheelock MT-24-WM-VFR horn/strobe overlooking the dining area.
Powell’s City of Books
Annunciators/panel: Unknown, presumably an addressable Silent Knight system
Detectors:
Silent Knight SD505-APS photoelectric models
Pull stations:
Fire-Lite BG-8 models
Silent Knight SD500-PS models
Simplex 4251-20 models behind STI surface-mount covers
Notification appliances:
Alarm Lock PG30 exit alarms on some fire exit doors
System Sensor 1st-generation Advance horn/strobes (white; wall and ceiling-mount)
System Sensor 2nd-generation SpectrAlert horn/strobes (white; wall and ceiling-mount)
System Sensor MA/SS-24D horn/strobes, some of which are mounted on flush plates; most of these devices are mounted above the Simplex pull stations
I have go ask, what is the difference between first generation and second generation Advances?
Because the MC’s are also going off.
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I have go ask, what is the difference between first generation and second generation Advances?
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Sorry–I meant to say just the regular Advance alone; I had forgotten that the current “Advance generation” is actually the L-series of notification appliances. Apparently, I’ve almost never seen any of the L-series devices out in public.
Oh its OK in that case. I think that the L-Series are still pretty rare to be seen around so I get why you referred to them like that.
My great, great grandson’s school has a Simplex TrueAlert in code-3 tone.
Yeah. Suuuuuuure he does. :roll: