Notifier AFP 100 Zone Programing Set UP Q's

Fire Alarm Help
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I am working on an older Notifier Panel a AFP-100, when you are programming in a Monitor Module it only Shows / Provides a Single Zone like Z00. Is it possible to assign a Monitor Module to more than one Zone like the Newer FireLites? what I am trying to do is connect a FM-200 System to the Building’s main Fire Alarm System. The area the FM-200 is covering is a room that you can’t hear the H/S that are connected to the Main Building Fire Alarm is area so they want those to activate if the main building goes into alarm but if the FM-200 goes into alarm they don’t want both the main building system H/S and the FM-200 both go off. They only want the FM-200 H/S to go off selectively but still want the rest of the main building to activate and with only 1 Zone I don’t see how you can selectively have one go off for 1 fire alarm and not have them all goo off. I think it is in the programming but I am not sure how you to set up 2 zones and use a Control Relay Module to only activate the 3 H/S in the Area when the Main Building has an alarm but not both sets of H/S the main building and the FM-200… Hope that is understandable… This is the first time they want them to not have both system H/S going off they are thinking the strobes cannot sync so they want one system H/S to trigger for the FM-200 and not both… And yet they want the FM-200 to activate the main building system but not the H/S in the room on the main system to go off?

Being it is older panel it does not show multiple Zones for SLC devices like Monitor Modules to select between different zones for 2 or three and select zones for different Modules… Where as newer Firelites you can have several Zones associated with each Det or Module…

Look at the Manual but it is not clear if you can have multiple zones or how you can program them?

Newaygo1

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Your question is worded a bit awkward but from what I understand this is your situation:

You have a FM-200 system that you need to connect to the main building FACP, so that when the FM-200 is activated, it activates the main building FACP. In the room protected by the FM-200, you have BOTH horn/strobes for the FM-200 AND building FACP - they don’t want both sets of horn/strobes going off if the FM-200 system trips - because once when you interconnect both panels, both sets of horn/strobe will activate and the strobes will not be in sync.

If I have that wrong, let me know so I can modify my answer…

When you say “THEY”, who is “THEY”? Building owner, AHJ, nervous IT guy, or designer? If it’s the building owner, nervous IT guy, or designer, tell them to pound sand because every FM-200 system I’ve seen that is the norm. The room will have both notification devices in it and in the rare instance when the FM-200 system does get tripped, nobody’s going to be hanging out in the room after the system dumps anyway. Typically, you’ll have a pre-alarm bell that is going to activate first (on your first smoke) and that pre-alarm shouldn’t trip the building. Then if your second smoke gets activated, they system is going to start counting down and trip your warning horn/strobe (still no alarm to the building). After your count down expires and the system dumps, THEN the FM-200 panel should activate the main building. And again, if anyone is in the room when the system dumps an out of sync strobe is going to be the least of their problems!

The only other thing I can think of is maybe the strobe OUTSIDE the room (that acts as a warning to not enter) could be cause a problem with it not being sync’d. Or if the room was made of entirely glass walls, but I’ve never heard of this ever being an issue - and I would think you could design around that problem.

But if the AHJ is demanding this - I’m thinking just wire up the building FACP horn/strobes in the FM-200 room to a FCM-1 module (would require a little bit of re-wiring on your part) and shunt them out through an alarm relay off the FM-200 panel. This way if the FM-200 does trip, the building horn/strobes will get disconnected. Or if you’re lucky, the building horn/strobes in the FM-200 room are at the end of the line and you won’t need the FCM-1 module.

Keep in mind however, the horn/strobes connected to the FM-200 system should say “AGENT” on them and not “FIRE” - so you can’t technically use them for a general alarm condition. Their primary purpose is to let someone know (Firefighters) that there could be a danger of entering the room once the system has dumped. The important one being the one right outside the door.

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First off thanks for your Post, Yes as to the area having both sets of H/S’s going off but someone talked with the Fire Marshal and said it is possible to have only one set going off which this is a first for me having to not have ours activate. And Yes you are close to what I am talking about but there is no FM200 H/S outside the room? Again not my issue as well as did not see any label as to their H/S off the FM200 System.

My main Q’ is can you have More than One Zone Associated with the Monitor Module On this Panel? On the newer Panels like Firelite which I am more Familiar with, they have the option to have more than 1 Zone but when I added the 3 Monitor Modules Alarm, Supv & Trbl, in the Programming of Each it did not offer more than 1 ZONE! At the end of each Device the Alarm being General Z00 for the entire buildingor another single Zone but not Multiple Zones and the other 2 another Zone 05 which won’t activate the H/S’s. What our Designer was hoping for was to use a Control Relay Module to link it to anything other than the FM-200 System for the 3 or our H/S in the Room but I did not see how there can be more than 1 Zone associated with this Monitor Module but Z 00?

Does the Notifier Panel have the ability to associate more than 1 Zone to a Device like a Monitor Module?

Newaygo1

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From the AFP-100 manual, Programming Monitor Modules, page 47:

“The default zone selection is Z00 (main circuit board NAC outputs 1 and 2) and may be set to Z01 through Z56 if desired. See “Appendix C: Software Zones” on page 80. The ADJ field for monitor modules can also be used to associate a second zone as described in “New Detectors” on page 45.”

From page 45:

“The ADJ field serves one of two puposes: Allow a second zone to be associated with the detector. For example, entering “Z10” associates the detector with zone 10. Because the ADJ field can be five characters long, the last two characters should not be used when associating a second zone”

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Also, I would definitely CYA and make sure whatever modifications you are doing are approved by the AHJ and the customers insurance company. Too much liability to be playing around with here without at least having their blessing. And if for some reason the system isn’t up to standards (like no strobe outside the room to indicate the system has dumped) document, document, document.

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I read all that But Again there is no way to Program Multiple “ZONES” to a Detector or Module, it does not give you a Way to Pick or Program more than one ZONE.

I guess I came to the wrong Place I was hoping someone here would know if you “Can Program more than One Zone” to a SLC Device such as a Detector or Module whether a Monitor or Control Type, Appears being Notifier you have to certified on their Equipment which I am Not nor is any one on this Panel and we Took It Over years back we have only added additional H/S’s to the Building.

The Fire Marshal is aware of this and is the one asking for only a of the sets of H/S in this room to activate if the FM200 is triggered which is not the normal situation. And since the FM is the AHJ he has the option of requiring this.

This is why I was asking about Multiple Zones Associated with a Device? As I have stated this is and older Panel and does not Show more than 1 Zone you can program where as Newer Panels have several Zones you can Program to Like the Firelites

Anyway this is what comes up when you are in the Monitor Module Programming Screen;
Progrm Monitor M01
ADJ Noun Z00
Nothing more you can Scroll down thru Different type code labels; Monitor (being the first Choice and then Pull Box, Heat Det, Smoke Zon, Waterflow, Supervisy, Auto Supv, Tamper_Sw, -------- (Blank), Ack_Sw, Silence Sw, Reset Sw & Drill
then you can input some type of Description for the ADJ & Noun and then the last Z00
There is not option for more than 1 Zone you input the 2 Digit Number by using the KeyPad on the Control, I attempted to use the up and down Arrow Keys and it stayed as Z00 not sure if you can change to a second or more zone and the Programming does not say what or how you can program more than 1 Zone and the Appendix C does not talk about more than 1 Zone and the Mapping does not show you can and so my reason for asking to see if anyone here might Know???

As for Liability as long as the Fire Trucks show up the system did it’s job where as separating H/S’s especially on an older system not sure and again not up on Notifier but a Unimode 2… I guess I will just have to reach out to our Tech Support on Monday and see if they might know since the Programming Guide is Too Vague as to how you can have 2 Zones for any one Device???

Thanks,
But I have learned nothing I already knew!
Newaygo1

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It’s been a long time since I fooled around with Notifier but it looks like, from what I read in the manual, if you wanted the Monitor Module to activate Zone 3 (for example) you would put “Z03” in the ADJ field in programming. Now how exactly you get to that field I’m not 100% sure but there must be a way. Sorry I couldn’t be more help!

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I believe you have just answered your own question. Older equipment, less flexibility in the programming.

It would make much more sense to attack this issue from the notification side of the system than through the initiating devices. If all the horns are already wired together on the NAC circuit, no amount of programming will bail you out, so at some point you will have to reconfigure the wiring to those three devices. Lambda has suggested several solutions that should be able to help address the problem effectively.

As Lambda alluded to, allow the FM-200 system to trip in the full building alarm system. This eliminates your concerns over multiple zones on the monitoring module. You didn’t state what the model of the Releasing panel was, but you should be able to tie in the “system fired” or “release” relay and cut off the 3 horn/strobes through a control module. As long as you have supervision on the circuit until an alarm condition cuts those three horns out, you should be golden.

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I jumped the gun on submitting my previous post, my apologies.

If you are intent on programming multiple zones, you can have up to 2 assigned to each module. However, you must use the Adjective field to enter the additional zone number. This associates them with the corresponding software zone.

After entering the Auto program feature for the new module, it should be assigned to zone Z00 for building general alarm. Highlight the “” field with the Right Arrow Key. Then, enter the desired zone number in the form of “Zxx”, for example “Z03” up to “Z56”. In this way, the module remains assigned to the Zone Z00 (General alarm). Additionally, the device is now associated with a second software zone, which can be used to activate a control module for the horns in the FM-200 area.

Lambda already quoted this, but here is the section directly from the AFP-100 manual

[quote] The ADJ field serves one of two puposes: ï Allow a second zone to be associated with the detector. For example, entering "Z10" associates the detector with zone 10. Because the ADJ field can be five characters long, the last two characters should not be used when associating a second zone. [/quote]
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The only other thing I can think of is maybe your panel is a really old version that doesn’t support what we are suggesting.

But please don’t take it the wrong way, I’m not trying to give you a hard time. From personal experience (and I’m sure you know from being in the life safety field) once when you start working on a system, you own it! Years ago, we were saved from a huge lawsuit after an apartment building burnt to the ground because we had took the time to document all the limitations of the existing fire alarm and sprinkler system. That’s why I always tell any tech to make sure they document what they do and even document things you see that aren’t up to par.