Hello All
Have a 6 story building with old JC smoke control panel (bunch of HOA switches for fans and dampers) it must be 100 wires chris crossing in the box , now the FM wants the new Notifer panel to run the smoke system. I believe we need to get head company involved , but want to know if there is any material to help me out there. Think I many need to mount new modules and control relay at each damper and fan and have LED make up a new control panel.
Any help appreciated
You’'re supposed to monitor fans for on and off status, and dampers for open and close status, meaning two monitoring points at each. If they don’t have end switches for that though then it’s pointless. The modules should be at the fans/dampers, but in a retrofit we’ve gotten away with putting everything back at the control panels where all the existing wire ran too.
I’d also ask the AHJ exactly what kind of controls he wants, if graphics are required or if you can just put labeled buttons on the front of the FACP with some LED’s that turn on when something is faulty. You also don’t have to have an LED showing the damper is open and one is closed, just an LED saying if it’s in trouble (ie, it’s closed when it’s supposed to be open, or a fan is on when it’s supposed to be off). Basically just one of these if the AHJ allows it: https://www.notifier.com/salesandsupport/documentation/Datasheets/DN_4818.pdf
See if you can get the existing sequence for the JCC panel.
We’re running across more and more of these it seems now that the newest codes have put things like stair pressurization under the fire alarm instead of the controls system, but I’m not an expert on any of it yet.
This should be a good read for you: http://firealarmresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Notifier-SCS-Series-Smoke-and-HVAC-Control-Station.pdf
From what I understand about the requirement side of things if the system is voluntary it doesn’t need to meet any code requirements. If it is required, then it must meet the UUKL & 864 requirements where everything is supervised, on emergency power, etc. The FACP may need to be cross listed with the smoke control panel depending on the AHJ.
I’ve done quite a bit of those back in the mid 90’s down in South Florida. Basically what Chris said about monitoring for integrity. You may also need to post trouble messages if a switch on the smoke control panel is off normal (not in auto) when the system is normal.
Also keep in mind that some of those graphic panels can be pretty expensive. Kirkland is very expensive from what I recall and kind of a pain to mount the faceplate to the enclosure. Light Engineered Displays always seemed to work well for me when I worked for Siemens. They will custom make the faceplate to fit whatever you need it to fit and they were about 1/2 the price of Kirkland.
A few more links for you to check out:
Thanks guys , this is in south Florida from the 70,s
New problem customer getting ready to have a new trane system installed for ac units , still have some stuff on pneumatics