I found a company known as Tecumseh Signals that appears to manufacture Faraday signals from the F-Series era for transportation vehicles. According to this website, the company formed in 2009, but this 2012 archive of the website claims that it had over 20 years of experience at the time. Could this be a spin-off of Faraday/Siemens as a result of the Wheelock lawsuit?
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I found that website myself a while back: not really sure what to make of it including if it’s ever had any relation at all to Faraday but it is neat.
These are probably what was installed in most of the buses in my town for stop request chimes. They are black and have the faraday style grille, I’ve always wondered who makes those and thought they were horns.
It looks like Faraday was based in Tecumseh, Michigan in 2000 according to this archive.
Woah, I knew there was a Tecumseh Technologies in the old Faraday factory, but not a different signal company with the same owner as Tecumseh Tech. I am not sure exactly what the company is, however, I believe (source: I made it up) is that once Siemens bought Faraday out and moved them, they kept a smaller force at the Tecumseh building to service that area, but under a new name. But this is all speculation. Really sucks how Faraday was bought out, ruined by Siemens, had to basically stop making their own notification devices because of the settlement with Wheelock, and finally Siemens killed it off, also ending Standard Time, which was a part of Faraday.
According to the Tecumseh Technologies website, Tecumseh Technologies was “Founded in 2004 after many previous years of technical experience at Faraday.” I think your spin-off idea is correct.
Also, the 2006 version of the homepage makes no reference to any notification appliances, while the 2009 version has a direct link to Tecumseh Signals, which occupies the same building as Tecumseh Technologies. It looks like everything is connected to Faraday.
Seems like someone either who took up the power void, or perhaps was something done by Siemens, or old employees who got laid off and got together.
This action was probably taken by Siemens, since 2004 was also when Faraday stopped rebranding System Sensor detectors, and when Faraday’s website moved from faradayllc.com to faradayfirealarms.com. The detector catalog before the change can be found in this archive, while the detector catalog after the change can be found in this archive.
Nice that in a way Faraday continues on thanks to (potentially) former employees of the company & that its history (sort of) didn’t end with Siemens phasing it out.
Google Maps backs this up: one of the signs on the property of 805 S. Maumee St. in Tecumseh, Michigan (Faraday’s former address) has both “TECUMSEH SIGNALS” & “TECUMSEH TECHNOLOGIES, LLC” written on it (wonder if there’s any connection between the two). There’s also clearly a former Faraday logo on one part of the building (that now reads “MARTIN’S HOME CENTER”, which I guess is the business that now occupies that part of the facility).
Since when did Faraday sell smoke detectors? (rebranded System Sensor ones no less)
On another note, going by those two sites 2004 is also when their logo was updated from the classic “oval” version to the newer “stripes” version.
Since when did Faraday sell smoke detectors? (rebranded System Sensor ones no less)
I’m not sure when Faraday started selling smoke detectors, but some of the detectors on the website are obvious System Sensor rebrands. A full list of rebrands can be found on the Tecumseh website.
both “TECUMSEH SIGNALS” & “TECUMSEH TECHNOLOGIES, LLC” written on it (wonder if there’s any connection between the two).
The 2009 version of the Tecumseh Technologies site linked above includes a link to the Tecumseh Signals site. Also, @mimi2 mentioned that Tecumseh Technologies and Tecumseh Signals have the same owner.
Oh, that. Huh, never knew Faraday sold smoke detectors (even if they’re just rebrands): most of us only know them for notification appliances, panels, & manual pull stations.
Ah okay (not sure why one would have two different companies for supposedly the same thing but alright).
Both the owners of Tecu Tech and Tecu Signals is a Dan P. They are the same
Alright: like I said above though I don’t really see what the point of having two different companies for the same thing is.
Because Tecu Sig is for signals, and Tecu Tech is for maintaining legacy Faraday or Standard Electric Time systems.
I don’t know why these would be separate companies, though, since they clearly functioned as one company when they were part of Faraday. One possibility is that the settlement with Wheelock may have prohibited Tecumseh Technologies from producing signals, which would make it necessary to start another spin-off for signals.
Tecumseh is the half of Faraday that didn’t make fire alarms and didn’t become part of Siemens in the buyout. From what I know, most of the employees there are ex Faraday, and they still provide the support they can for systems from before Siemens.
Blockquote I’m not sure when Faraday started selling smoke detectors, but some of the detectors on the website are obvious System Sensor rebrands. A full list of rebrands can be found on the Tecumseh website.
The MPC 2000, 1500, and 1000 all use System Sensor CLIP. The 1000 and 1500 Plus can also use their own protocol (iirc that is based on MXL I Series devices) that supports only 120 60 devices per loop and thus wasn’t a very common option. Because they’re unique, they’re also rare and extremely hard to obtain for existing systems that need them.
As for CLIP, I don’t know what brand ID the detectors use, but I have heard from a tech that at least the MPC 2000 does not care. Any CLIP module will work as CLIP MODULES ARE INCAPABLE OF HAVING A BRAND AND ANY MODULE WILL WORK ON ANY PANEL! A Faraday (Sigcom) T bar said tech gave me from a retrofit had a System Sensor Mini mod on it.
I believe this is the same protocol that the Siemens FireSeeker-100 uses, and if I remember correctly, the MPC-6000 was a Faraday-branded version of the FireSeeker-250.
I believe this is the same protocol that the Siemens FireSeeker-100 uses
They are not. They look identical, but are entirely incompatible. This is made clear by the Faraday 8720 DPU manual https://cdn.thefirepanel.com/docs/faraday/Faraday%20-%208720%20Device%20Programming%20And%20Testing%20Unit.pdf
Yes, for the most part. I can’t remember if the FS-250 will use Faraday branded devices, but I know the 6000 / 7000 will only use Faraday devices, and the FC922 and FC924 will use Cerberus Pro and Faraday devices with no issue.
Oh, really? Neat. Nice to know that Faraday, a veteran in the life safety industry, still exists in some form to this day. How did they manage to break away from Siemens’ acquistions of both Faraday & Cerberus Pyrotronics though? (since one would think that Faraday would have been all one company)
Likewise I once obtained an FCI MS-6 that had a System Sensor mini monitor module attached to its switch (no idea what kind of system both were originally in service with though).
The discussion above seems to indicate that Siemens spun off Tecumseh Tech in 2004 as part of some larger restructuring that involved a logo change, since 2004 was years after Siemens acquired Faraday. @HappyJigg, do you have a different explanation?
Are the protocols fundamentally different, or is this similar to System Sensor’s brand identification?