What's your favorite notification device / pull station

They aren’t prohibitively expensive though. Your security system, controls system, IT infrastructure etc. is going to cost considerably more and need constant updates. Can you put a price on reliability? When 17 dealers each do part of a system in a building and it becomes one confusing spaghetti mess and you have to have an engineer to come in and document the entire system and find any faults to pass an inspection, your cost just surpassed using Simplex, Siemens, or to a lesser extent EST in the first place. They might be overkill for an Applebees, but when you’re looking at high rise voice system there’s no way I’d go any other route.

MXL can drive suppression, has multiple voice channels, and has peer to peer paging. The last two seem trivial but for some reason are difficult for fire alarm panels still. :roll: I’m not sure of the node/device count but both systems can be massive, the MXL has been installed in giant applications and is tried and proven though. All that from a system that came out in the early 90s, it took Gamewell until 2006 to finally catch up to a panel that was already replaced and being phased out. There’s nothing wrong with the devices either, they’re simply quarter of a century year old technology and I can’t think of any devices of the same era that were any better.

There’s no way I’d want to mess with an MXL these days, but it’s a solid system from it’s era in my opinion.

Favorite pull station: Old round Standard Electric Time pulls (with a bunch of different model numbers)
Favorite signal: Edwards 6100-D Durabel
Favorite panel: Edwards Custom 6500

Even though it may seem to be the case in this list, Edwards isn’t my favorite brand.

I had no idea that the MXL had been discontinued. Strangely enough, I’ve seen those panels in many installations around here in the last four or five years. They seemed to be quite popular for retrofits, or even to upgrade older MXLs.

Sorry for going off-topic, but it seems that Mircom may be one of the new leaders in terms of device capacity per panel (quite surprisingly). I don’t really know how Mircom’s addressable systems compare to other manufacturers’ products regarding the specific features and capabilities, but according to the http://www.mircom.com/media/datasheets/CAT-5940_FleX-Net_Intelligent_Fire_Alarm_And_Audio_Network_System.pdf datasheet for their FleX-Net panels, a single node can support up to 5742 points (29 SLCs!), if I understand correctly. Definitely one of my favorite new/current panels, even though I have a preference for older devices.

MXL was replaced by the XLS which is an aging panel itself these days. I think it was officially discontinued (or put on an end of life cycle, meaning they’ll make parts for it but not sell new systems for X amount of years) a few years ago.

I know nothing about Mircom fire alarm (just a little about their access control) but it looks like a decent panel, I like the built in BAC-Net we’re starting to see pop up in newer systems.

You guys probably know I am a Notifier junkie but…

Notifier has done a lot of interesting things in the industry and there’s a lot of stuff about them that I still like.

You can take an addressable device manufactured in 1987 (System Sensor 2500 smoke) and put it on an addressable panel manufactured in 2014. You can also take a panel from 1987 (an AM-2020) and put addressable devices made in 2014 on its SLC and they will function fine.

The “CAB” series, which originally came out in 1987, is great because the modular design means the list of panels you can put inside a “CAB” cabinet is very long. All of their larger panels made since 1987 can fit inside any CAB cabinet from any era… meaning you can put an NFS2-3030 from 2014 inside an AM-2020 cabinet from 1987 without problems. Panels that can use the CAB series: AM-2020, AFP-1010, AFP-300, AFP-400, AFC-600, System 2500, System 5000, NFS-320SYS, NFS-640, NFS2-640, NFS-3030, NFS2-3030)

Also another nice part about the “CAB” series is that mixing and matching modules is very easy since most modules use a standard form factor. I’ve seen panels from 2013 installed with modules made in 1990 and they still work with each other.

Notifier claims to be the first with several things: A point-reporting dialer (meaning it reports which zone or SLC device got activated, not just that an alarm or trouble occurred), first small-scale addressable panel to have large panel features (the AFP-200), first field-programmable panels (meaning they do not require a computer and a chip burner to program) in 1987 (AM-2020 and System 5000), the first panel to have Walk Test (the CMS-1000 from 1979, they called it “Non-Lock Test” though).

Another one I like that I discovered the other night is the LCD-80 annunciator. It may just seem like a trivial thing but the LCD-80 is actually designed to be a “Nearly Universal” annunciator as it can work on panels without LCDs. In “ACS” mode you can connect the LCD-80 to a computer and program zone / addressable device descriptions that appear on the LCD. ACS mode is intended for panels like the System 5000 which cannot store their own zone descriptions onboard. In “Terminal” mode the LCD mimics whatever is on the LCD of the host panel, and so it wont work on the System 5000. The LCD-80 can also be installed inside a System 5000 panel and wired to function as an LCD display add-on for that panel.

Also… Made in USA.

Wow, I really am a Notifier fanboy.

Signal: Wheelock CH-70 (Old = Simplex 405X on 4050-8X)
Pull Station: Fire-Lite/Notifier/Silent Knight/ADT/etc. BG-12L (Old = Simplex 4251-20)
Panel: Fire-Lite MS-10UD-7 (Old = Simplex 2001)

You may be able to see a pattern. New is something usually installed on a Honeywell system, while old is Simplex. Simplex used to be very good, but today their stuff is proprietary and kind of cheap. Also, PANEL BUGS (lol). I agree with Andrew, Notifier is the best and most advanced right now.

My Favorite,

Horn- Gentex GMH
Strobe- Wheelock WM1-T
Horn-Strobe- System Sensor MASS-24
Strobe Plate- Simplex 2903
Light Plate- SAE AV-32
Speaker-Strobe-Simplex 2902-9739
Chime-Strobe-System Sensor CH2415
Pull Station- FCI-MS2
Panel- Simplex 4005
Detector- System Sensor 2424TH

That flexibility is pretty cool; I didn’t know that a single type of cabinet could be used with so many panels from different generations, or that their old and new addressable devices could be used interchangeably. These features must be very practical during retrofits. A local mall seems to have taken adantage of this by swapping out their old AM-2020 from 1990 (with addressable pull stations) with a new NFS2-3030 a few years ago. I can only imagine how complicated and costly replacements like this one can be with certain systems from other manufacturers, when a retrofit kit isn’t offered: for instance, if you were to replace an addressable Edwards ESA2000 system from the early '90s with a new EST3, I’m sure that a new cabinet would be required (unless someone decides to skip that step, voiding the UL/ULC listing on the new panel), and the old addressable devices would probably have to be removed too, since I doubt that newer EST systems can support the protocol they used with their first addressable panels prior to the IRC-3.

I had read about the LCD-80’s Terminal and ACS modes on the datasheet for the NFS-320C not too long ago (since it specified that it could be used with this panel in ACS mode) and was wondering what this actually meant. Thanks for explaining the difference between the two! It’s definitely a very interesting feature.

The ONYX-series systems are probably my absolute favorite new/current panels, even though I’m also fond of Mircom’s FleX-Net line. Every time you post something I didn’t know (which happens to be practically everything you say about them) about Notifier, it seems to make me like their products even more that I did before.

Here’s mine:

FAVORITE:
Panel: Simplex 2001 (just cuz 90 BPM march time)
Horn/Audible: System Sensor MAEH (I love the electromechanical and the laser tones)
Visual: Simplex 4050-80
Pull: Notifier BNG-1 (w/ the “FIRE” lettering on the sides)
Smoke: Don’t know much about smokes, so I’ll just say a System Sensor i3-2WB.

LEAST FAV:
Panel: Don’t know
Horn/Audible: System Sensor P2R/P4R Spectralert Advance
Visual: Wheelock RSS (They seem to be everywhere)
Pull: BG-12 (Too common)
Smoke: Again don’t know much, so I’ll just say a System Sensor i3-2WB

Actually I edit my least favorite smoke alarm. I’m gonna say a BRK 9120, just because my house has these and they false alarm CONSTANTLY.

Also…

Simplex never made their own metal stations. They, like Bosch, Ademco, Wheelock, and Silent Knight, rebrand Sigcom’s pull stations (my favorite metal station. The RMS-1T is nice, but the “Fire Alarm” lettering and lock aren’t symmetrical. I like symmetry. :lol:). I think Simplex’s only metal station that they made was the original 4251-20.

Thanks for the info. I just knew they didn’t use the RMS series so I assumed they made their own. :smiley:

I don’t like the raised lock on the sigcom. To each their own though. :stuck_out_tongue:

I actually like the lock.

Mircom Select-A-Horn/Strobe FTW! They sound pretty awesome.

The older ones or the newer ones? They have different tones, I think.

I would like a Spectralert Advanced P4R horn/strobe.

My favorite pull station is a Faraday hex-reset chevron pull or Simplex 4251-20 T-Bar pull with a cover that’s connected to a hi-lo horn that sounds when the cover is removed.