Incompetent technicians from 3rd-party service companies probably also play a big role in that too I’d imagine (when it comes to more general system flaws & such, since of course a life safety system is only as good as those who design, engineer, certify, manufacture, install, & maintain it).
Yeah.
Well to be honest something looks off to me about having the small ones on trim plates like that.
The one I’ve mainly had a problem with is the Eluxa-series, which has an inexplicably-asymmetrical lens design: the heck were they thinking?
Well the TrueAlert-series I’d say is fine, as long as it hasn’t really changed any since the SimplexGrinnell/Tyco era, but the TrueAlert ES-series is a different story, mainly in how stupidly high-pitched they are (too high-pitched if you ask me, especially compared to their non-ES TrueAlert counterparts, which are at a good pitch) & how the TrueAlert ES ceiling speaker/strobe is literally just a TrueAlert ES ceiling speaker with a 4903-series strobe lazily glued to the side (Edwards on the other hand did much better with their ceiling speaker/strobe by separating the strobe into four & placing each one around the central speaker (which of course LEDs make easy to do), thus leaving it clear & intelligible (or so Simplex claims is the reason for them putting the strobe off to the side on theirs at least) while still also maintaining 360 degrees of strobe coverage).
You’re certainly right about that. I was thinking that as well, but I forgot to mention it. I would say a good middle ground is with the non-IPA Potter systems. They are completely freely programmable and simple to use, and yet they don’t have nearly the number of issues as Honeywell systems, because they are a smaller company that actually needs to care a little bit about their customers in order to survive.
Yep. We all have our own opinions and they all look good in different scenarios. That’s why they make different options.
The main thing I was getting at about these is that they seem to be WAY behind when it comes to getting new LED devices introduced that can certainly help get more sales. I’ve seen quite a few Autocall dealers and even surprisingly some Simplex installers starting to opt for Eaton/Wheelock Eluxa devices instead where TrueAlert ES devices are not needed for this exact reason.
I totally agree with you on this one too. All of the other brands have been proving that this design choice was not needed for good audio quality and was instead just pure laziness.
And right after us talking about simplex, Look at what i found! First time ever seeing these in person. Maybe on a 4100ES System, Because the rest of the mall is simplex.
That’s super cool! It’s my first time ever seeing them being used in a real life application too. Johnson Controls really needs to step their game on coming out with more LED appliances. I imagine that it must be pretty annoying for them to have to deal with the constraints of xenon strobes. They probably loose some bids too because of the fact that the additional accommodations for the higher power draw of xenon strobes can be costly. Not to mention, their xenon strobes aren’t exactly known for being the most reliable. I’ve never heard of a strobe being known as unreliable until the TrueAlert strobes.
Well how about that…it wouldn’t surprise me if that’s the first system anyone’s found with those NAs, or at least one of the very few in North America (since Simplex has apparently marketed them a lot more outside the continent).
Now this is in a Bar & Restaurant, I wouldnt know why they chose voice evac for this, but its really cool. Dont know why they have a whetherproof speaker strobe indoors.
No idea why they couldn’t have mounted that one SpectrAlert speaker/strobe the right way around considering there’s plenty of room there for it, but that in turn will likely result in inadequate strobe coverage due to the reflector being designed to face downward rather than sideways. From the looks of it that sole L-series speaker/strobe is also replacing one of the SpectrAlert ones going by the bit of patched-up wall that can still be seen.
Oh yeah…two of those speaker/strobes also look like they’re close to falling off the wall!
Going by the existence of xenon Genesis speaker/strobes, yeah (though not really that old: Integrities, pre-Integrities, or 896-series speaker/strobes would be really old! (& really rare as well in the case of the latter two!).
I’m guessing they mounted it that way because the back box is mounted directly in the middle of that wall, so the device would be off center if they mounted it the correct way. I’m not saying they should have done that, but that’s probably why. If they were that concerned, they really should have used a separate speaker and strobe with one mounted above the other. Nowadays, they should just replace it with a SPSRLED to solve all of the problems. This is one of the reasons why that design was really not great. A strobe mounted on top of a speaker/horn will always be superior when it comes to mounting flexibility.
That’s not happening in that mall you previously posted is it? (also that doesn’t look like FPL to me given its lack of red coloring, at least if FPL is always red, which one would think it would be for identification)
Also, the mall I showed before is an outlet type of mall, it has whetherproof est speaker strobes. Now this is very intresting, Potter Bells in a ROSS of all places!
