Where exactly were the 4051s other than the parking garage?
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Where exactly were the 4051s other than the parking garage?
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They were located around security and most of the terminals opposite wall of the bells near the terminal exits. You’ve been to this airport?
No I have never been to New Mexico before but I never thought of an airport having 4051s.
The University of Calgary Child Development Center has a Simplex 4100ES, with Simplex TrueAlert 4906-9154 speaker/strobes (first time I see a ceiling mounted TrueAlert in Calgary). The smokes are addressable Simplex TrueAlarms. Pulls are all 4099-9001.
Cleveland airport had 7002T’s, Gentex SHG’s (earlier non ADA models), and System Sensor MA/SS sounder strobes (with the non ADA strobes). After a 2015/2016 upgrade, they have a Simplex 4100ES with TrueAlert ES horn strobes and regular TrueAlert speaker strobes and 4099-9006 LED dual action Tbars. They had a mix of ESL/Thorn RSG T-Bars and Kidde (Thorn rebranded) B5’s too. Some are still there because I imagine it would’ve cost too much to replace everything. Oh and they also have red Wheelock RSS-24MCW strobes in the bathrooms but the beauty plates must be custom because they have no FIRE lettering and no, it isn’t just faded.
the system was replaced in 2012, the annunciator has the new “EST” logo. And in the band room, there is NO MB10-24. There is an Edwards MB6-24 bell on the 403-5A-R strobe plate.
The Shoe Company in Crowfoot has an addressable Notifier system(probably an AFP-400), with Wheelock MB-G10-24 bells on RSSP-24MCW strobe plates. Pulls are all Notifier NFM-950B, with a Simplex addressable modules!
Value Village in Silver Springs has a Notifier NFS-320C system, with System Sensor P2R/P4R horn/strobes, and System Sensor PC2W/PC4W horn/strobes. Outside, there is a System Sensor SRK strobe. Pulls are Notifier NBG-12LX, with some NBG-12L with Notifier NDM-100 addressable modules.
Crowfoot Montana’s has an EST1 system, with Edwards 439D-6AWC bells on EST 403-5A-R strobe plates. Pulls are all Edwards 270-SPO.
Mountain View Optometry in Crowfoot has a Simplex system (probably a 4008 or 4006), with Simplex TrueAlert horn/strobes, model 4906-9129. Pulls are all Simplex 4099-9001/2099-9754.
Stevenson High School, IL’s first building has a ton of ceiling mounted Siemens ZH-MC-CRs (rebranded ZNS), as well as remote strobes (ZR-MC-CR) in the bathrooms and some stairwells. The alarms outside are Wheelock AS24110W (have a siemens sticker, not sure the model number) and one Wheelock AH-24-R beside the doorway with no sticker. Pull stations are all MSM-Ks with Stopper IIs over all of them.
The second, smaller building is most likely a simplex system, since it is stock full of TrueAlerts (4903-9426, and 4903-9425s) and old mechanical 2901-9838s on 4903-9501 strobe plates. The classrooms, bathrooms, and locker rooms have either just 4904-9501 or TrueAlert 4904-9331 strobes. For some reason in the pool locker room there is a Wheelock MT-24-WM-VFR, and a study hall room consists of TWO Wheelock Exceeder STRC alarms, oddly weird for a simplex-majority building. The pull stations are all simplex 4099-9001 with, of course, Stopper II covers.
Though, I knew that in the first building— early 2015, they had an original system filled with Cerberus Pyrotronics MTL-S15-S, Siemens U-MMTs within the Point, and more ASs with siemens stickers (There is still a U-MMT in the dance room, thanks Instagram). They replaced the system due to a fire alarm error around March of 2015 (I know there was a video where that system went off, but it kinda vanished) Not sure about everything else becuase I just started high school late 2016. Also I’m pretty sure the newer building is getting a new system, since a couple of the 2901-9838/4903-9501s are gone.
It really isn’t that unusual to see Wheelock horns on a simplex system as both my elementary and high schools were both Simplex systems when I was there and there were sometimes other horns there that were not Simplex. My elementary school had a Gentex and a Wheelock horn and my high school had an Edwards, Space Age Electronics, System Sensor and Wheelock horn in addition to its Simplex horns.
The Integrities are not 757-5A-T. They are 757H-15PS. And at least they were able to keep the Integrities and the original pull stations, and all of pulls have addressable modules.
Bucars RV Centre in Balzac has an EST2 system (saw the panel, at the entrance doorway), with EST 757H-15PS Integrity horn/strobes. The smokes are all EST SIGA-PS, and the pulls are all EST 270-SPO (one doesn’t even have it’s break bar in it)
I’m gonna redo Bon Ton Meat Market’s alarm system, because I wasn’t being very meaningful with that post.
ANYWAYS, it has an EST3 system (the annunciator is near the front entrance), with EST G1R-HDVM horn/strobes. There is a G1R-VM remote strobe on a pole, the EOL device on there said “REMOTE STROBE” on it. Outside, there is a signal, although it’s very difficult to notice it. Near the entrance under some pipes and a light, there’s an EST 405-7A-T (label in the strobe says 15/75cd, although it got sanded off, so it was good that i noticed it). Pulls are all EST 270-SPO (newer EST logo)
My K-3 Elementary School’s System:
Installed: 1991
Building Built: 1991
Panel: Unknown (Likely a Cerberus Pyrotronics MXL or equivalent from that time; couldn’t be a System 3 because it put out filtered DC). Plus I haven’t been there in years, so most of this is as I remember it, and I don’t live in that state anymore.
Signals: Wheelock EHS-DL1s (primary), Wheelock 7002T’s (special needs classrooms, group room/auditorium, and in the gymnasium), 8 or 9 7002T’s in total, 1 MT-24MCW (horizontal strobe, probably replaced an EHS-DL1 in the early 2000’s; I went there from 2005 till about 2009 or 2010; I can’t remember). They also had 2 EH-DL1-WM-24’s for some reason as well.
Pull Stations: Cerberus Pyrotronics (some branded as CP and others branded as just Pyrotronics) MSX type addressable stations or MSI addressable stations; could be conventional but I believe CP was pretty much all addressable by that time as well.
Signal Coding: Steady
They also had a Dukane clock/intercom system that played a sound bite of an EHS-DL1 sounding on continuous during fire drills; they had intercom speakers outside as well.
My 4-6 Grade Elementary School:
For some background, the previous school I mentioned above was also a K-6 school, but the school district built three new elementary schools in 2008 or 2009 and I guess my house was closer to the new school, so I got redistricted to this building. I went to this school up until middle school.
Built: 2008 or 2009
Finished: 2010
System: Edwards System Technologies (this was one of the first systems after GE sold EST to United Technologies).
Panel: EST-3 with the Signature Series (SIGA) protocol
Signals: EST G1W-HD Multi Candela Horn Strobes, no fire lettering. One horn strobe in every classroom and spaced out like 6-10 ft apart in the hallways so there was like 5 or 6 in a hallway. Strobes and horns all synced. Also there were horn strobes in the restrooms as well if I remember correctly.
Signal Coding: Code 3 (duh!)
Pull Stations: EST SIGA-278 series
Annunciator was one of those LCD EST ones with the keypad and buttons on it in its own metal cabinet and everything.
Side note: These signals were so extremely loud that you could hear them going off 10 feet away outside the school. No outdoor signals either. Did I mention all the doors to the outside were closed too? Anyways, has to be one of the loudest systems I’ve heard besides my experience at the doctor’s office with System Sensor MA/SS sounder strobes on 1200hz interrupted tone. That was really loud.
The Genesis Centre in NE Calgary has a GE EST i064 system, with Edwards MB10-24 bells on EST 403-5A-R strobe plates. In the fields, they have wire protector covers on them. One of the fields also has an Edwards 439D-10AWC bell on the EST 403-5A-R strobe plate. Smokes are all GE EST SIGA-PS, and all of the pulls are GE EST SIGA-270P.
I would bet money on the original panel being a Cerberus Pyrotronics XL3 addressable system (pre-MXL, X-Series devices like MSX, filtered DC) OR there is the remote possibility of an INS-2/IXL system. MXL didn’t launch until 1993-1994, and I’ve never seen one in the field with HSD-24 (7002T) or EH-24S (EHS-DL1) horn/strobes. The only way this is possible is if the XL3/INS-2 died and they replaced it with a MXL.
As for conventional, it could have been a CP-400, but I’m not sure what power type they output for the NACs. As you said, System3 is out of the question, unless they were running the signals solely on external filtered booster panels/NAC controllers.
Yeah, probably was an XL3; thanks for the info! When I attended years ago, everything was still original and this was the only school untouched by a district wide upgrade to all EST-3 systems around 2010/2011. At that time the other 5 elementary schools and both middle schools were upgraded to EST-3’s. Genesis signals were installed where coverage was spotty or lacked N/A’s. The high school ran an MXL though and had Siemens MSI-20B pulls, U-MHU-MCS horn strobes, and U-MCS remote strobes. Not sure if the MXL was affected by said EST upgrade either, but I don’t think it was.
That sounds like what is going on in our district with some of our schools. All existing Fire-Lite systems and our EST QuickStart systems are being replaced with Siemens Cerberus PRO or SXL-EX systems. There are a couple of Simplex and EST3 systems still left, but the majority consists of Cerberus Pyrotronics and Siemens at this point.
My school just had a field trip to St. Mary’s Parish in Cochrane, and it has an EST system, with EST G1-HDVM horn/strobes for the most part. In the chapel, there is a white Genesis, and an EST G1R-HDVM on the white trim plate. Pulls are all EST SIGA-270.
The new apartment building I’m going to move into in late May (Fontaine Towers, Rochester MN [which ironically is only 1 building, 18 floors]) has an old Simplex 2001 EVAC system with mainly i3 smokes but on the elevator lobby of the floor I’m going to live on there’s a Gamewell F7, and there’s an older Simplex 4259-36 or equivalent in another floor’s lobby. Pulls are 4251s. The notification appliances are 8" speakers on the walls, no visual means of notification (unless the exit signs are set to flash) and no in-suite devices either. I’m not sure of what tone it’s set to, but since the building was built before Temporal 3 came into being, I’m guessing the classic Slow Whoop. I’ll get pictures later.
I think that’s interesting just having a speaker system. I haven’t seen a system like this before.
Allan Dale RV Center in Red Deer has an Edwards FireShield Plus system (saw the panel, at the door entrance) with EST 757H-15PS horn/strobes. Near the left side of the building, there’s an EST 757-5A-T horn/strobe. Pulls are all Edwards 270-SPO.
Boston Pizza in Red Deer has an EST system (probably EST i064) with EST G1R-HDVM horn/strobes on the ceiling in the restaurant area, and on the walls in hallways. Pulls are all EST SIGA-270 (newer EST logo)