Make up a system

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There is a church with 3 floors. main floor, secondary floor, and a basement. On the main floor is a Fire Lite MP-12/24 panel, (I think) a Spectralert remote strobe in the lobby. In the sanctuary, there are System Sensor smoke detectors, and a Wheelock AS. (The main floor has Fire Lite BG-8 pulls)

On the secondary floor, there is a Wheelock AS in a big room. In a smaller room, there is a Wheelock remote strobe and a System Sensor mini-horn.

In the basement, there is a random mix of alarms. In the large room, there is a Fire Lite BG-10, a Simplex 4251-30 without glass, a System Sensor smoke detector, 2 Wheelock NS horn/strobes, and a Spectralert horn/strobe. In the the hallway, there are 2 Wheelock AS horn/strobes, a Fire Lite BG-8 pulls, System Sensor smoke detector, and a Gentex SHG. In the office, there is another Gentex SHG. In a small room, there is a Wheelock Remote Strobe, and 2 System Sensor smoke detectors. and in the Men’s bathroom, there is a Gamewell remote strobe.

What a system! :lol:

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This set-up is for an elementary school now.

The school is set up so that the main horns are Faraday 6020 horns on Simplex 2903 strobe plates. The playroom that is next door to the cafeteria has a Faraday U-HNH horn. The media center (library) has a Wheelock 7001T horn/strobe combo. The music room has a Simple 2901-9838 horn that is on a Space Age Electronics AV34 strobe plate. Finally, the enrichment room has a GMS.

This is the system that is there now.

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Okay, this is my 3rd attempt at posting in this topic since I AFK so much while typing.

Gotta focus. Okay.

The Sperti-Faraday High School, built in 1977, consists of:
Simplex 2001, with 32 zones
Simplex 2903+2901-9833
Simplex 4251-20’s throughout most of the school, with 4251-30’s near the front of the school, in gyms, and in the science wing. All have glass rods.
Simplex smoke detectors. I’m not sure if they’re 2908’s or older TrueAlarms, or even Wiffle Balls. I’m not familiar with what smoke detectors Simplex used at the time.

In 1978, a fire breaks out in a chemistry classroom. A student, noticing the fire, runs over to the nearest 4251-30 and sets it off. Unfortunately, some of the glass cuts his hand, and he had to get stitches. The glass frame and hammer on that 4251-30 was removed, and the glass rod was never replaced.

In 1979, a basketball smashes through the glass pane of a 4251-30, breaking the entire pull in the process. It is replaced with a 4251-1 metal Chevron station, with a glass rod.

In 1981, a student (whose name may or may not have been Andrew Davis, lol) working in the wood shop was demonstrating something to his friends. He picked up a plank of wood and said “See? Wood. Watch!” and smacked the 2903+2901-9833. The horn was okay, but the frosted cover over the light was destroyed. Metal cages were installed over every device in the wood shop, but the plastic cover was never replaced, leaving an exposed light bulb.

In 1992, after a spike in false alarms, the school had STI Stopper II’s installed over every pull station, now bringing the actions required to turn in an alarm up to 3, if installed over a 4251-30 (lift cover, break glass, pull down)

In 2000, a thunderstorm cooks the panel. Despite the notification appliances and initiating devices being okay (with the exception of the smoke detectors), the entire system is replaced. The system now has:

Silent Knight IFP-1000 addressable fire alarm control panel
Silent Knight/Hochiki SD-500-PS pull stations (the ones that look like BG-8s but are addressable)
System Sensor Spectralert Classics
Silent Knight/Hochiki smokes and heats where applicable

In 2001, a student has the bright idea to smoke in the bathroom. The smoke detector installed in the bathroom picks this up and sets off the alarm. Startled by the Spectralert horn/strobe they just had to install in every bathroom, he ran screaming out of the bathroom, where he was quickly caught by administration… and the police.

In 2005, a cafeteria worker accidentally starts a gas fire. The sprinkler system activates and sucessfully puts out the fire, with the help of the cafeteria worker’s fire extinguisher. The solder head was replaced with a liquid capsule head.

In the spring of 2012, the IFP-1000 suffered from a CPU fault. Again, despite the panel being the only thing faulted, the entire system is replaced. The system now consists of:

Hochiki FireNet addressable panel
RSG/Hochiki addressable T-Bars
Gentex/Hochiki Commander 3’s
Hochiki addressable smoke detectors and heat detectors where applicable.

What happens during the 2013-2014 school year? You decide!

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This is another elementary school, but it also has 7 and 8 grades so its not really an elementary school per say, but it does have K-6.

Anyway, this school was built in the 1960s. Main signals were Simplex 4041 horns behind grilles in the walls but in the 1970s, the school decided rather to replace the whole system they got rid of the grilles and put the 4041 horns on 4050-85 light plates.

The multi-purpose room, rather then replace the 4041 in there, decided to use a 4051 horn, but on a Space Age Electronics AV32 light plate.

The Media Center (Library), has a Gentex GMS horn in the middle between the two sections.

The Home Ec Kitchen has a Faraday 6120 horn on a Simplex 4903-9101 strobe plate.

The main music room (not the small music room which is band) has an Edwards 892-2B horn.

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Ok I felt it was a good idea to tell of a system, an very scary and real system:

A school was built in 1981, ironically with Standard Electric 4-350s, an unknown panel ( maybe a Standard Electric Panel? ) and BNG-1 pulls. In the music room is a Simplex 9833. Outside is an unknown horn with looked like a faded 882-2B.

Sometime in the late 80’s I’m guessing, one of the 4-350s broke down I’m guessing and was replaced with a Simplex 9803. In 2008, a portable add-on is added, with an (MS-5? ) panel, Advanced Spectras, and Fire-Lite BG12LXs. In the summer of 2012, I see a 4-350 hanging from the wall by some wires. I can tell something is going to happen…

The next school year, all of the horns are replaced with EST Genesis’s, Edwards Integritys, and a QuickStart panel, with all the pulls removed and ONE 278B in the office by the panel. Even the Spectras are replaced!! This is what happened to my elemeantary school. I never even got pictures of the old horns or pulls. :cry:

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I thought you elementary school was the one with the 7001s and 4040s?

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Yes it had 4040s, but I never remember saying that it had 7001s. I think you read the wrong person’s one.

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This one?

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That was a made up system. I thought that one up one evening, hence the system I posted earlier is ( or was ) my actual elementary system. I remember it loud and clear. :lol: This system like I said was replaced in the summer of 2012, only about 7 or 8 months before my enthusiasm started, so I was a little to slow in getting pictures.

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Well since I’m on a site the shows elementary school floor plans, why don’t I just use them for now? Besides, I liked elementary school. :stuck_out_tongue:

A school was built in 1973 and it originally had this system. Simplex 4051 horns on 4050-80 light plates that blink on and off during a fire drill.

In 1984, the 4051 in the music room was destroyed by some moron who thought it would be funny to toss a ball around in there. After this loser was suspended, the horn was replaced with a Wheelock 34T horn that was connected to a Space Age Electronics AV32 light plate. This light plate blinked in sync with the 4050-80s.

In 1990, the art room’s 4051+4050-80 shorted out and the bulb blew. Since 4051s and 4050-80s were discontinued by then and the school decided to use another company that wasn’t SAE, Simplex or Wheelock, they went to Edwards. The resulting horn was an Edwards 892-2B horn/strobe combo.

In 1996, the school’s library 4051 broke down and the whole set up in there was replaced with a Faraday 6020 horn on a Simplex 2903 strobe plate.

In 2003, there was a small fire in the foyer of the school. After renovating that part, the foyer horns were replaced with Simplex 4903-9237 horn/strobes because the school decided that they love Simplex again.

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Ah, but what about our Sperti-Faraday high school?

In Fall 2013, a basketball hits a nearby Commander 3, cracking it. It is not replaced, but a protective cage is installed over it.

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I don’t think that there can be anymore upgrades now, since that school now has all electronic horns. Anyway, here is another elementary school. I like the floor plan.

In 1958, when the school was built, it was was a K-8 school and it had flush mount Federal Signal 450D horns behind a red grilles.

In 1973, a fire broke out in the multi-purpose room. The room wasn’t badly damaged, but the 450D was cooked. It was replaced by a Wheelock 7002-24.

In 1979, the hallways of the school were renovated, so all of the old 450D horns were replaced and the school went with Wheelock 7001T-24 horn/strobes. The flush mount 450Ds in the classrooms remained, but were disconnected, except for the one in the woodshop room.

More than a decade later, the new principal decided to do something about the still working 450D in the woodshop room. Rather than disconnect it, the flush mount horn was removed and put on a new Space Age Electronics AV34 strobe plate.

In 1993, the new music teacher said that she couldn’t hear the fire alarm when it went off. the solution was to remove the defunct 450D (disconnected for 14 years) and install a Gentex GMS horn/strobe.

In 1998, all of the disconnected 450D horns were removed along with the grills, and it only took 19 years!

In 2002, while the principal was in the library for a meeting and they were testing the alarms, he realized he could hear the horns from the library, so he contacted Faraday and they installed a U-HNH in the middle of the library.

That is what is there now.

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Hm, a system chock-full of electromechanical horns. Wow, the panel must have one hell of a power supply. What pulls does the school have?

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Chevron Pull Stations. I never pay much attention to anything but the horns to be honest. And as for the many electromechanical horns, my high school had 4 kinds (9838, 2DCD [now replaced with Exceeders], 9219, 892-2B). Anyway, next school.

A K-5 elementary school was built in 1984. The horns that the school when with were Faraday 6020 horns (aka Simplex 9833) on Simplex 2903 strobe plates.

In 1985, the 6020 horn in the music room broke down and started to sound raspy and almost like a jet engine. Over the summer, the school tried to get a Faraday horn but went with Wheelock when they found that their products were less pricy. So the room got a Wheelock 7002T instead.

In 1987, the media center’s 6020 horn short-circuited and broke down, so when the school learned that EDWARDS was now cheaper then both Faraday and Wheelock, they used them and got an Edwards 792 horn/strobe.

In 1992, the speech teacher complained that the 6020 horn in the speech room wasn’t loud enough, so they replaced that horn with a Simplex 2901-9806 horn on a 4903-9101 strobe plate. No more complaining about not being able to hear the horn now.

In 1994, the computer lab’s 6020 broke down. Since the principal was married to someone that worked at Faraday, the new horn was a Faraday 6120 horn on a Simplex 4903-9806 strobe plate.

And so the school is a mixture of Faraday, Simplex, Edwards and Wheelock.

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Can I go again?

An indoor stadium, built in 2012, has these devices:

CPG Signal Defender panel
CPG Signal Evacuator Voice Evacuation panel
CPG Signal 4050 metal pulls
CPG Signal TSpy-series detectors where required
CPG Signal duct detectors where required
CPG/Gentex wall-mount speaker/strobes
CPG/Gentex Commander 3 remote strobes

Just like seeing obsucure alarm companies, since all we have here is Fire-Lite and Notifier (not that they’re bad companies, but I see them all the time, lol :lol: )

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Inspired by a school i saw today in a movie, here is this made up, yet really cool system.

This building was built in 1960. It consists of:

Pull stations:
Simplex 4251-1 “Chevron” pulls.

Panel:
Simplex panel ( i couldnt think of a model number, but lets just say its whatever poplar panel was around then ).

Horns:

In the main hallways, they have simplex 4030-2 horns ( dual projector ).
In the smaller hallways they have Simplex 4037s.

UPDATES:

In 1974, they added a 2nd floor, and with that, installed Simplex 4040 horns on 4050-85 light plates and Simplex 4251-20 pulls. Also the new panel was a Simplex 2001.

In 1985, 2 of the Simplex 4037s and one of the Simplex 4030 horns broke down. They were replaced with Simplex 2901-9833 on 2903 strobe plates. ( Well, the area were the 4030 was had a 2903 light plate ironically ).

Lastly in 2008, one of the 4050-85 plates with the horn in it broke. The setup is replaced with a Spectoralert Advanced.

There you have it! The older horns are still up, everything is ok in this system, and if this building/system was real, goodness would i LOVE to see it.

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The Alben W. Barkley Elementary School. This 1464 student elementary school houses grades K-8. These are the horns.

When the school was built in 1977, it was a K-5 school first. rather then go with the more popular Simplex 4051 horns at the time, they decided to go with the less know Space Age Electronics 2DCD horns instead. They were put on the AV32 light plates that were red and blink. These horns were EVERYWHERE except the bathrooms.

In 1979, the school expanded and became a K-8 school. The new wing received Wheelock 7001-24 horn/strobes.

In 1982, the hallways were renovated and as a result, all of the 7001s were replaced with Simplex 2901-9833 horns that were on Simplex 2903 strobe plates. The 2DCD in the multi-purpose room and the 7001-24 in the music room remained.

In 1994, the library was split into two rooms where one room was K-4 and the other room was 5-8. Both received Gentex SGH horns.

In 1999, a punky eighth grader was tossing a ball around which smashed the SHG. It was replaced with a Siemens U-HNH horn/strobe.

That is what is there now.

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I think this topic has run its course now.

Just seems like the same stuff over and over again.

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Clear Creek Elementary School. This school is a K-8 school, and houses 150 classrooms. The school was first built in 1973.

The panel is a Simplex 4208 panel, and the horns are Simplex 4050’s, installed on 4080-85 light plates. The pull stations are Simplex 4251-20’s. The signal coding was set on Continuous.

In 1976, one of the 4050’s in the hallways stopped functioning properly, and was replaced with a new Simplex 4051.

In 1980, the principal started seeing smoke on the Simplex 4208, because of too much stress on the coding wheel, to prevent a fire, it was immediately put out, replaced with a Simplex 2001, and the signal coding was changed to March Time.

But in 1982, a special education teacher was complaining that one of their horns were too loud for their special needs students, so Simplex came and took out the old horn, and replaced it with a Simplex 2904-9001.

Sometime in 1983, some of the old light plates, and horns stopped working, so Simplex came and replaced the inoperable light plates with a Simplex 2903-9002, and replaced the old horns with Simplex 2901-9833’s.

But in 1984, there was a special grant to add a new gym, hallways, and classrooms to the school, by the time that was finished, Simplex came and installed some new Simplex 2903-9002’s with 2901-9838’s.

In 1990, the 2001 started malfunctioning, making everyone evacuate for no reason, so it was replaced with a Simplex 4100.

In 1991, a new ADA law passed requiring that all signals shall be strobes, so Simplex replaced the 2903-9002’s with 4903-9101 strobe plates, and replacing the Simplex 2904-9001 in the special needs classroom with a 4904-9101.

In 1995, one of the pull stations in the main lobby stopped working, so it was replaced with a Simplex 2099 pull station.

In 2001, the 4002 in the Principal’s office stopped working, so Simplex replaced the 4002 with a 4100U, and all the signals were replaced with Simplex TrueAlert horn/strobes, and the pull stations were upgraded to addressable ones. Some of the existing “Wiffleball” smokes weren’t working properly, so they were replaced with TrueAlarm smokes.

In 2008, the school needed more classrooms, mainly because of the enrollment, so they got a lot of money from the state to build 2 floors.

In 2012, the school addition was completed, now they needed a voice evacuation system. Simplex replaced the 4100U panel with a Simplex 4100ES, and replaced the horn/strobes with TrueAlert speaker/strobes. The message is the default one, and the tone is set to Temporal.

In 2013, new Simplex QuickConnect smoke detectors were added in.

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Just one quick question: how could you take out and install panels like that without A: having to remove all of the devices and B: leaving a bunch of big holes in the wall where the old panels were?