Well, it doesn’t matter since we’re talking about make-believe systems. In the real world however, a panel can often be swapped out with a replacement that is compatible with the existing devices. Unless the panel is flush-mounted, it won’t leave any holes in the wall that can’t be easily patched. Some panels within the same brand can be retrofitted into older cabinets (Simplex, Notifier, and GW-FCI for example). Or, if it’s flush-mounted and requires a new can, you just do the drywall work as necessary.
Why not? I’ll do this one again.
The Great American Electronics Store, built in 1981, contains:
Some Fire-Lite 2-zone Miniscan panel
Fire-Lite HDP horns
Fire-Lite BG-6 pull stations
In 1983, a fire breaks out in the employee break room. A customer pulls the pull station and evacuates the building. The FD comes and extinguishes the fire, but two HDPs are destroyed in the process. They are replaced with shiny new HDPs.
In 1985, because a BG-6 was pulled numerous times for pranks, it broke and was replaced with a BG-10.
In 1990, the BG-10 was destroyed by someone throwing a metal cabinet at it. It is replaced with yet another BG-10.
In 1993 all the HDPs eventually die because of the FWR that the panel outputs. They are replaced with Wheelock MT’s all set to Continuous Horn.
In 1998 the Miniscan dies. It is replaced with a Fire-Lite MP-24. All the BG-6’s are replaced with BG-10’s.
In 1999, the strobe on an MT is destroyed due to pranksters. It is replaced with a Wheelock AS.
In 2004, all the BG-10’s eventually die because of their shoddy quality. They are all replaced with BG-8’s.
This is what the system has now:
Fire-Lite MP-24
Wheelock MT-24-LSM
Wheelock AS-24
Fire-Lite BG-8
What happens to the system between 2004 and 2014? You’ve got 10 years to work with!
Faireville Middle School, was installed in 1975. featuring 70 classrooms, a library, and a gym. The panels consisted of a Simplex 4207 set on Continuous, and the signals were Simplex 4051’s on 4050-80 light plates. The pull stations were 4251-20’s. The smoke detectors were added in 2004.
In 1976, one of the horns started to wear out, so Simplex came and replaced it with a 4051. Then in 1978, a prankster pulled a 4251-20 in the gym, but the student pulled it so hard, the handle broke off. Also, the student was expelled from school. So Simplex came back and replaced the 4251-20, and added a cage onto it. In 1979, the Simplex 2903 series were released. In 1980, the 4207 was wore out, and died, so Simplex came and replaced the panel with a 2001. In 1981, some of the 4051’s, and the 4050-80 light plates stopped working from wear, so Simplex replaced them with 2903 light plates with 9833’s. But in 1983, the remains of the 4050-80, and the 4051’s were disconnected because they were too loud for the kids. So, Simplex put in 2903 light plates with 9833’s. beside the disconnected light plates. In 1988, the panel in the main office died, so Simplex replaced the panel with a 4002. But in 1991, Simplex replaced the panel with a 4020, and kept the signals. In 1995, a Simplex 2903 light plate’s light bulb in the main entrance burned out, so Simplex installed a 4903-9101 strobe plate, and replaced the horn with a 9838. In 1998, all of the 2903 signal units were replaced by Simplex 4903-9219’s. But in 2004, they put in TrueAlarm smoke detectors, and the 4903-9101’s were replaced by Simplex TrueAlert horn/strobes. The 4020 was replaced by a 4100U. In 2011, the Simplex 4100U started having a malfunction, causing all of the alarms to go off, and everyone had to evacuate. So the technicians replaced the panel with a 4100ES with Voice, and they replaced the horn/strobes with speaker/strobes, set on Slow Whoop, and using a custom made female voice message.
First, there are 3 rounds of this slow whoop tone, and then the voice says:
“Attention, There has been a fire emergency reported in the building, you are to leave the building by using the nearest exit. Do not use the elevators, I repeat, do not use the elevators. Respond immediately, Respond immediately.” Then it goes into 4100ES slow whoop for 3 more rounds.
You bumped a topic that is almost half a year old.
Please don’t do that…
Oh, sorry. I thought I was allowed to.
The bumping rule doesn’t apply to open ended topics like this. Destin said this somewhere, but I can’t find the post.
Not to mention that a topic with 428 posts can’t die this easy! Hehe :lol:
I guess, but Andrew also said earlier in this topic that it had run its course.
¯(°_o)/¯ I dunno.
If he had such a beef with it he’d lock it.
What’s done is done, Prog. I’ve made my mistake, so there’s no point in dwelling on it.
No worries! I see no reason to lock it. It was getting bombarded for a while, but the occasional post is fine.
Guess I’ll bite into this. This System uses SmartSync TrueAlert’s (4906-9127’s) The panel is a Red Simplex 4005 that has a Wheelock AH stored in the panel that’s there for no reason.
It’s a Apartment Building that has 5 units on each floor (3 floor building)
2003: Building Opens.
2005: Fire Alarm goes off due to someone breaking the pull station
2009: Wheelock AH’s goes bye bye and hello new panel and new devices.
2014: TrueAlert’s get switched to 30 candela since 110 candela blinded people.
Today: Wheelock MIZ installed as the burglar alarm. Those MIZ’s make me laugh since they scream.
In 1955, Awesome middle school opened. Its system was an IBM 4211 dc system with IBM 4251-1110 pulls and IBM 4030 horns. In 1963, a new wing was added. It had Simplex 4251-1 chevron pulls and Simplex 4037-1 horns. They also updated the panel to a Simplex 4247 panel, but tied it to the 4211. In 1973, the 1955 wing had a 3 alarm fire. The wing was pretty much destroyed, so they demolished it and built a new wing opened in 1974. Since the wing that burnt down had the electric closet, the 4211 and 4247 panels were destroyed. Luckily, the 4247 panel didn’t have too much damage like the 4211 (the 4247 system only had a light indicator that was burnt up. The 4211 had pretty much burnt up except for the cabinet.), so they salvaged it and put it in the new electrical closet as a NAC booster. The New wing however had a 4208 system installed, and 4251-30 pull stations installed with 4050-84 light plates (white fire lettering) and 4051 horns installed. However, in 1977, the district got a bond to add on to that school, since it was found to be too small for 1296 students. They decided to turn the school into a 2800 student school. So in 1978, they broke ground. During the construction, a worker accidentally destroyed a 4050-84+4051 while trying to break down a wall. The new wing was finished in 1981, with a simplex 2100 system with 4251-30GA pulls and 2903-9102 strobe plates with 2902 life alarm speakers, and 2098 whiffle balls in the halls and classrooms. They had 4255-1 heat detectors in small rooms and bathrooms along with 2904-9103 strobes. They also took out the 4037s and Put in life alarms. In 1999, the school got destroyed in a tornado. It’s ruins still sit there.
^harsh XD
…but in 2001, awesome middle school was rebuilt in the old football field. The system is a simplex 4010 with simplex 4099-9103s and truealerts. The smokes are 4098s.
In 1912, the New York Hotel opened. The original system consisted of Gamewell masterboxes and Gamewell single stroke bells. In 1932, they replaced the masterboxes with Gamewell masterbox style pull stations. In 1947, the hotel burned down in a 5 alarm fire. It took the fire department 27 hours to put the fire all the way out. The entire block was demolished since the fire destroyed it all. So in 1950, they ground broke for the new hotel. They constructed it until 1955. In 1956, the New York Plaza hotel opened as a 20 story, 400 room hotel. The original system was a an IBM 4247 and a 4249 system tied together. The alarms were IBM chevron pulls, IBM 4030-1 horns, chemotronics heat detectors, and Rockwood sprinkler bells. In 1975, the hotels ballroom collapsed. So they rebuilt it and put in Simplex chevrons and 4050-85s with 4051 horns. In 1979, the city decided to sell the hotel. So in 1980, they sold the hotel to Hilton. So in 1981, the hotel closed and the major renovation/add on started. They gutted the 1955 part, and since there was a lot of land around the hotel, they added ALOT more on. So in 1988, they reopened the hotel, and the new 32 story, 1200 room add on. So the hotel was a 1600 room hotel. The system was a HUGE 2120 with a few 4100 panels. The alarms were 4251-30GAs, 4098 whiffle balls, Simplex 2902-9739s, and chemotronics heat detectors. The rooms had federal signal 450i speakers, simplex 4098 whiffle balls, and old BRK smoke detectors. The exterior had federal signal 450is with 2904-9103 weatherproof strobes. In 1991, a 2902-9739 broke after a guest played basketball on the 30th floor. It was replaced by a 4903-9102 light plate with a federal signal 450i speaker on it. In 1994, they added a 33rd floor with a huge pool. They put in Simplex 4099-9103 pulls, Simplex 4098 truealarm smokes, and 4903 speaker strobes in the lockeroom hallway, the locker room had 4099-9003 pulls, chemotronics heat detectors, and 4903 speaker strobes. The pool had the same.
Here is a system at a vacant school. It was built in 1990 and it had 270-SPO’s and Wheelock 34T’s. The panel was a NIB 2001. In 2005 a 34T broke down. It was replaced with a MT horn only.
Then in 2013 the school closed due to being too small.
In 1955, the National Hospital of Care opened with an IBM 4211 system with IBM 4251 chevrons and IBM 4037 horns. The 125 rooms each had an IBM heat sensor and a red light bulb that said fire on the cover. In 1956, they finished the emergency room wing (construction started in 1953 with the rest of the hospital but an accidental fire delayed it 8 months). That wing had Edwards 270-SPOs with federal signal flush mount horns and Edwards heat detectors (similar to the IBM/Simplex 4255 sensors). They also bought land across the street for a nursing home. In 1958, the nursing home opened. It had a Gamewell FlexAlarm with Gamewell century’s, and Gamewell bells. This was also the first place there to have wires connected to the Fire Department. But in 1960, due to lots of patients and overnight work, they built 5 hospitality houses. They each had a Simplex 4245 panel, 4251 chevrons, and 4031-2 horns. Also in 1964, they built a 95 room addition with Edwards 270-SPOs, Edwards 360 horns, and Edwards heat detectors. In 1966, they remodeled the food court and extended it out to the other side of the hospital. In 1973, they built a radiation lab across the street by the nursing home. It had a Simplex 4208, 4251-30 pulls, and 4050-85s with 4051s, and Simplex 4255-1 heats. They also got special vinyl coated 4050-80 remote lights for the radiation rooms. In 1977, they built a surgery wing with Simplex 4251-20s, simplex 2903-9001/2901-9806, and 2098 whiffle ball smokes. They also installed a gigantic 4207/4208 system to accomadate 10000 more zones. In 1978, they built 200 more rooms. It had a 4207 annunciator, Simplex 4251-30 pulls, Simplex 2903-9002/4051s, and 2098 whiffle ball smokes. They also had 2904-9003s and 4255 heats in the rooms. In 1986, they built a cancer wing. It had 4251-20 pulls, 2903-9101/2901-9833s, Simplex whiffle balls, and 2904-9101s in the rooms and restrooms. In 1988, they built a large annex that connected to the wings. It had Edwards 270-SPOs, and Edwards 892s, and Ansul Whiffle Ball smokes. In 1991, they also built a nursery wing and 125 adjacent rooms. It has Edwards 270-SPOs, wheelock Ch non Ada chime/strobes, and Systen sensor 2400 smokes. In 2001, the first phase of renovation began on the 1956 wing. They installed a HUGE EST3 system with EST 270-SPOs, EST integrity speaker strobes, EST SIGA smokes, and EST integrity strobes in rooms and restrooms. In 2003, they renovated the food court and the emergency room. It had EST 270-SPOs, EST genesis speaker strobes (ceiling), and EST genesis strobes. In 2005, they added on a 250 room wing and renovated the rest of the hospital. They had EST 278 pulls, EST integrity speaker strobes, EST genesis speaker strobes (wall and ceiling), EST genesis strobes (wall and ceiling), EST integrity strobes, Spectralert Classic chime strobes, EST heat detectors, and EST SIGA smokes. In 2009, they installed Spectralert advance chime strobes. They also installed Fire-Lite MS10UD systems in the hospitality house with fire-lite BG-12s, Spectralert advance horn strobes/ strobes, Spectralert Advance mini horns in the rooms, and Fire-lite smokes. In 2010, they installed a Fire-Lite MS9200UDLS system in the radiation lab with Fire-Lite BG8s, Spectralert advances, and Fire-Lite smokes. In 2013, they put a Simplex 4010ES system in the nursing home with Simplex 4099-9003 pulls, Simplex Truealerts, and Simplex 4098 smokes.
The American Hospital opened up in 1924. The hospital was originally 25 rooms and was 2 floors. The original system was those Gamewell MasterBox style pulls with Gamewell Single stroke bells. They were linked together so when one pull was pulled, all of the bells would ring. They also had a Gamewell Zone indicators and a couple of Masterboxes around the area. In 1930, they built a 50 room wing. They installed the same setup and added a new zone indicator. In 1932, they built a large food court that had a seating capacity of 125. They installed the same setup and added one of those tape things. In 1934, they got a bond of $1,500,000 that so they could add on more since the city it was in was growing fast in the period of 1899-1933 from 1000 citizens to 34,500 citizens. In 1935, the chapel was built with a capacity of 1550. They installed a regular masterbox with 4 single stroke bells and light bulbs around the church. In 1937, they completed the 200 room 5 floor wing. They installed the same setup as the 1924 part had. In 1939, WWII started. So from 1939-1941, they built a 250 room veterans hospital at the southwest corner of the property. They installed the same masterbox style pulls AND some Gamewell Bells that were not single stroke. They installed a Zone indicator in the lobby. In 1943, when the USA entered WWII, they remodeled the 1930 wing into a Severe care center and also builtma wounded warriors building that could house 850 warriors in its 425 rooms. In 1945, when WWII ended, more than 75% of the 725 rooms were vacant. So in 1947, they closed the majority of the veterans wing and left the 50 room wing open. In 1952, they remodeled the 625 veterans rooms into a hospital. They installed Edwards 270-SPOs and Benjamin electric 4030 style horns with a Edwards panel. The following year they remodeled the 1924, and 1930/1934/1935 wing and added the same setup. In 1982, the hospital closed and was demolished in 1986. The WWII buildings were turned into a Life Care center complex in 2002, and they have a 4100U system. The chapel was remodeled in 2004, and has a 4010 system.
A school was built in the 70’s with simplex 4030s and simplex chevrons. The chevrons and 4030s in the gym had cages around them. In the 80s the unknown simplex panel was replaced with a 2001 after a failed fire drill. In the 90’s a new wing was added and had 2903 horn strobes and t bars. In early 2000s the system was upgraded with simplex 4001U voice evac ,true alert speaker strobes, T bars, and TrueAlarm smokes.
Well that’s depressing.