I agree with you. I actually love the EST LED Genesis devices much more than the Xenon versions. However there are things I think Edwards could add with their LED Genesis units; Make high candela versions, Low Frequency Sounders, Chime strobes. Other than that it’s an incredible series.
I’d say both look nice.
Maybe those will be coming down the line eventually: you never know!
I guess if Edwards was making a high candela version; make the wall mounts 110, 135 and 185 for single gang LED Genesis and 135 and 185CD for double gang LED Genesis and ceilings 150 and 177CD! They should make an LED integrity too; installers are spending way too much money getting them replaced
I don’t know what the standard candela ratings for high-candela devices are, but LED NAs have much lower current draw than their xenon counterparts which often negates the need for separate high-candela models as the manufacturer can just include said high settings on the standard model (& some have).
Considering they now have a seemingly-decent LED replacement for the weatherproof WG4-series (as the WG4-series is apparently prone to infiltration of outdoor elements which corrode the circuitry) there may be no need to make Integrities anymore (a need for weatherproofing notification appliances is I believe why the Integrity was still made in some capacity, or at least I think it’s been).
there may be no need to make Integrities anymore
As far as I know, the Integrity series is currently the only series of 4-wire horn strobes produced by Edwards, so it may take time for that to be discontinued.
Well considering the industry seems to only believe in 2-wire now (even though non-fire alarm/general signaling applications may still need 4-wire) I don’t know why Edwards would continue to make the Integrity-series apart from weatherproof devices (that’s what I believe I was once told at least: that only outdoor/weatherproof Integrities are still made today since outdoor/weatherproof Genesises are supposedly not a thing, or at least not until recently).
The weatherproof Genesis horn strobes existed back in 2014 based on this archive (and the speaker strobes existed based on this archive), but there were no weatherproof Genesis remote strobes at that time. Also, Edwards still appears to produce indoor 757 speaker strobes, which are not outdoor or 4-wire horn strobes.
Most manufacturers do still produce 4-wire devices, even if they lack newer features. For example, Wheelock produces the ELMT, System Sensor produces the P4RL, and Simplex produces single-candela 4-wire TrueAlert horn strobes.
Oh: odd if you ask me that weatherproof horn/strobes & speaker/strobes would be possible/a thing but not remote strobes (especially since Genesis remote strobes are literally identical to their horn/strobe counterparts down to using the same cover (though obviously without the horn circuitry).
Oh: is that the only part of the Integrity-series still left today?
Yeah, but not all the devices in those serieses come in both 2-wire & 4-wire (though if those manufacturers were smart like Gentex they’d realize that 4-wire’s all they would need as the “wire mode” could be set via DIP switches).
Oh: is that the only part of the Integrity-series still left today?
No, there are also outdoor speakers, remote strobes, and 4-wire horn strobes, at least according to this page.
I think 2-wire makes sense for compact devices such as the ELHS and P2GRLED, but I agree that all larger devices should be 4-wire. Even if there is no space for DIP switches, jumpers could be provided to connect the horn and strobe terminals to achieve a similar effect, like companies did before the introduction of 2-wire synchronization and silencing.
Well how about that. Nice to know the Integrity-series continues in production to this very day in some form!
I say just make everything 4-wire with DIP switches: problem solved so-to-speak (less separate models for one thing: that’s an advantage (albeit one that probably no current manufacturers aside from Gentex will realize).
That’s what System Sensor did with their original SpectrAlert, but jumpers have downsides including being additional components that have to be produced & shipped with each device, which adds cost & takes up more room in the box, & there being the possibility of losing them: DIP switches however are part of the device itself & are impossible to lose.
There might not be enough space on a single gang mounting plate for 5 terminals (2 for horn, 2 for strobe, and 1 to split one of the positive terminals for supervision) while still providing enough wiring space. Otherwise, we probably would have seen a P4GRL and single gang ELMTS.
Maybe, but given the tech available to companies nowdays it probably wouldn’t be that hard to figure out how to do so.
4 wire seems like it’d be good for retrofits
That’s another good reason alongside general signaling applications as I said.