Something like this? It might be an emergency ventilation switch
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Exactly! I don’t recall seeing the sticker at the bottom, though, unless it fell off at some point.
I saw a red version of this for sale on eBay once
at my school we have the EST Genisis along with the sega and like 3 spectra alert classics. we actualy had a false alarm recently.
I think there was on with a sticker in my elementary school.
My school was built in 2001 and has a very unique system of alarms.
Pulls : Notifier NBG-12LX
NA’s : System Sensor H1224K (x2), Gentex Commander 2s (the earlier model without the candela window), some System Sensor MA’s, and a Gentex GMH-24R in the cafeteria.
Detectors : Notifier FSP-851’s.
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That is a unique mix, especially since you rarely see Gentex signals in buildings.
Ikr! I expected my school to have bland SS devices.
My school has Gentex Commander 3s & 4s (rebranded by National Time), Sigcom SG Pulls, Sentry Stoppers, 1 Inactive NT P-804, & a few dozen NT 411Fs.
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Ooh, I’ve never seen a flush version of the 411! Hope they get saved at some point given their incredible rarity.
I’ve never seen Commanders with that National Time logo either; the NT-rebranded Commander 3 I have has the older National Time logo like that on the pull station.
I’m actually working with the school right now to obtain them!
That’s great to hear! Hope all goes well with that.
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It’s always nice to see vintage components still in place, even if they’re not connected to anything anymore. I’m guessing that 411F is from the mid-1960s to early-1970s given the design of the serial label.
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Yep! The School was built during the time period of 1969-1970!
Ok my elementary schools system is a est system, and the devices are , est genesis red wall mount horn strobes with no fire lettering, the smoke detectors are ge/est sigas , the pull stations are siga 278,s . Now on to middle school. My middle schools fire alarm system was replaced with a Honeywell voice evac system and the system it replaced was a est QuickStart , with old wheelock as horn strobes , system sensor i3 smoke detectors and one wheelock mt . Now on to high school . My high school has a notifier system Featuring wheelock NS,s ,RS,S and Exceeder’s , the pull stations are notifier nbg12lx’s , the smoke detectors are notifier fsp-851’s. Well that is all.
That 411F is very cool!! Did they make surface mount versions? I swear a school near me has these as former class change bells, or the old fire system.
Yep! There are actually 3 411 variants known to exist, the 411 (surface mount), 411F (Flush Mount), & the 411R, which is a 411 mounted inside a outdoor rated enclosure!
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Figured I’d finally tell y’all about the systems in the places I’ve worked and went to school. For confidentiality/privacy, I can’t disclose building names, sorry!
Elementary School
Old System
Panel: Older Notifier MD/4812 panel as depicted here
NAs: Simplex 4051, or Notifier equivalent. School was an open classroom layout, so these were spread out in the hallways and every so often throughout the open classroom space. Other rooms that had alarms were the gym/cafeteria/auditorium, library, music classroom (which was pretty small), kitchen, and the boiler room. Notably all notification devices were original to the building, none of them having been replaced.
Pulls: Notifier BNG-1, old style
Smokes: Not sure, heats: Chemetronics black/silver “nipple” heats
New System (installed in 2019, way after I left the school):
Panel: Simplex 4007ES
NAs: Simplex TrueAlerts (probably ES)
Smokes/heats: Simplex TrueAlarms
Middle School
You guys are gonna like these systems.
Building A
Panel: Probably an older Edwards panel (such as 6500)
Pulls: Edwards 270-SPOs along with Simplex 4251-20s, I believe some were replaced with Simplex 2099 single-action non-addressable T-bars where the 270s wore out
NAs: Most were Edwards Adaptahorns on light plates with red lights - see the picture below. This is not a pictures of the actual school’s alarms, it’s one I found on the internet. Don’t know the model numbers. Sounded in continuous, lights steady. There was one TrueAlert (continuous) and one Wheelock MT set to whoop in the upper floor hallway. In 2012, TrueAlerts were added to the gym locker rooms which previously had no alarms. No alarms in classrooms or bathrooms, except for the library which had an Adaptahorn+light plate.
Smokes/heats: Don’t remember
Building B
Panel: Probably an older Edwards or Simplex panel (6500, 4208)
Pulls: 270-SPOs and Simplex 4251-20 single-action T-bars
NAs: A mix of the aforementioned Adaptahorns/light plates and TrueAlerts. Likely set to continuous. I never heard the alarms sound in this building. Alarms in hallway (Adaptahorns) and tech classroom, music classrooms, auxiliary gym (2 TrueAlerts), agriculture classroom, machine shop (Adaptahorn), and boiler room (TrueAlert).
Smokes/heats: Don’t remember
Building C
Panel: Unsure, could also be another older Edwards panel
Pulls: Mostly 270-SPOs, with the occasional 4251-20 or 2099 T-bar
NAs: Outside the Adaptahorns/light plates, lots of Wheelock alarms here. Several MTs and I think an NS. There was also an Edwards Pre-Integrity in one of the hallways, interestingly mounted sideways.
Smokes/heats: Don’t remember
High School
Panel: Two Simplex 4100Us networked together, one controlling each half of the school. There are annunciators for each panel at the front entrance of the school.
Pulls: Simplex 4099-9006 addressable dual-action T-bars
NAs: Simplex TrueAlert horn/strobes in hallways, remote strobes in bathrooms and most classrooms. Classrooms and areas that have horns include graphic design, photography, drafting, cosmetology, agriculture, robotics, woodshop, cafeteria, auditorium, gym, weight room, wrestling practice room, locker rooms, art rooms, band room, music room, and theatre classroom/backstage area. Sounded in code 3.
Smokes: Simplex TrueAlarms, above fire doors and at elevators
College
Way too much to put in here, will be coming in a separate post.
Work 1: College Bookstore
Panel: Simplex 4100U
Pulls: Simplex 4099-9006 addressable dual-action T-bars
NAs: Simplex TrueAlert speaker/strobes and strobes, wall and ceiling mounted
Smokes: Simplex TrueAlarms, spread out over bookstore as it doesn’t have sprinklers
Work 2: Office Building 1
Old System
Panel: Cerberus Pyrotronics SXL
Pulls: Cerberus Pyrotronics MS-51
NAs: Cerberus Pyrotronics EH horn/strobes in main area, not in leased spaces though
Smokes/Heats: Unknown
New System
Panel: Newer Honeywell-branded Silent Knight system
Pulls: Honeywell-branded BG-12s
NAs: System Sensor L-Series, L-Series everywhere! This time, also in leased spaces. Strobes in bathrooms.
Smokes/Heats: Unknown
Work 3: Office Building 2 (Current)
Panel: Simplex 4010
Pulls: Simplex 4099-9004 single-action addressable T-bars
NAs: Simplex TrueAlerts, wall and ceiling mounted, with one Wheelock Exceder strobe in my office area
That Edwards Horn/Light combo is very, very rare! I wonder if that system is still in place. I live in Canada, where Edwards was once a staple, and I never came across this alarm once. But I guess here, strobes/lights weren’t as common as the US, and even today are a healthy mix, as many places are grandfathered in.
Bridgewater-Emery Elementary - MSI Pulls, A Siemens Panel, 1 Annunciator, about 6 or more 7002’s and 7002T’s, Couple 5" Wheelock bells, some 4" Bells, 3 Telebell’s used as class bells, a 34T-24, a very rare Faraday 6170, a rare Faraday 6120 without strobe (looks like a 8-9 line grille with 2 sets by each other, not 3 by 4) 2 FOS 6120’s, and a couple 4050-80’s in the basement. Cool, Huh?