Exactly: don’t say something is fact unless you know for sure that it is (which is what you did by saying “These were the pull stations”: neither you nor anyone else supposedly knows if that’s correct or not).
It actually wouldn’t surprise me if WTC7 had something similar to Firecom-rebranded E70s (provided the E70-series was made whenever WTC7’s system was initially installed & if Firecom rebranded & used them in their systems).
You can put multiple things in one post if you didn’t know: you don’t have to fill up this topic with multiple posts.
i found a building a few days ago with the Firecom 8500 Cabinet that looks like the one shown in the patent for the 8500, How ever the building no longer has a 8500, it is most likely a Comtrak 2000 System made by Casey Systems (a Firecom Division) or just a EST3, they are using EST devices now with some older firecom equipment being reused
i can confirm that WTC7 used Firecom Rebranded Mirtone pull stations, which was commonly used by Firecom on their older 8000 and 8500 Systems at that time, you can see it in the lobby shot in the movie: working girl filmed in 1988 and few other shots of the lobby near the revolving doors
So far from my research the audible/visual devices seen inside WTC7 are E70s in newer areas and Federal Signal Speakers in older areas
For smoke detectors they did use a good amount of them and they would most likely be the Edwards 6250 detectors which was very commonly used on older Firecom Installs before they start using Apollo on their Life Safety Net Series panels
I have found about 5-10 buildings in NYC with previous 8500 installation and this seems to match up with all the commonly used devices back then and what would make the most sense
Good job: that might be anyone’s first look at the 8500! I believe there’s at least one other building in New York that has an 8500 (or had as of a few years ago): perhaps someone will be able to snap some photos of it one day.
Oh: would have thought that they would have used the pull stations seen some posts above, which are specifically marked “Firecom 8500”.
Good work on the rest of what you found out.
Think there are any that still exist & that could have photos snapped of them? (if of course building staff let us do so, or heck better yet salvaged)
A Firecom Tech confirmed that there are pretty much no 8500 left, but there might be 1 or 2 of the 8000 System System left, basically what they do is swap the front end of the panel to their new LSN2000 Panel because they can’t communicate with the new LSN series.
There’s basically still some 8500 running just without the original front end and has been converted to LSN2000, it is very hard if not impossible to find the original front end now they have pretty much all been replaced during the 2000s through the 2010s to LSN2000 or a entirely different brand’s panel.
They do sometimes keep old devices when they swap to LSN2000 so you can find the old pull stations and warden stations still in service because they work with the newer LSN System.
As for the those old boxy Firecom pulls, as far as i know they weren’t even used all that much i only found a few old 8500 install using them, the others were using either 270SPO’s or Mirtone Pulls
Firecom keeps everything they take out and recycles it themselves so i doubt any will ever get onto the marketplace.
Im still doing more research to find more so yea ill update if i find anything interesting.
That stinks. Still, at least the 2nd-to-last thing you said may mean that Firecom has some 8500 parts in their possession (getting them to share photos of them with us is another story however, though of course there’s also always the chance of finding upgraded 8500 systems & getting to save them).
Honestly have no idea how you got ahold of Firecom themselves: I sent them an email about two years ago concerning the 8500 but never heard anything back for whatever reason (which also for some reason seems to happen often with companies I email: can they not take time out of their busy business day to be courteous & email people back?).
I have a feeling of that movie clip you posted that that was a firecom 8000 and they changed to 8500 after 1993 I have a feeling that the fire com 8500 either looked like a lsn 2000 and i think wtc 7 had a comtrak 1750/2000
Ah yes, I found that video myself some time back: heck of a find if you ask me. As far as I know it’s the only other 8500 system captured in action on video besides WTC7’s. Will never understand why the original uploader privated it (as I discovered the other day).
WTC7’s System was the original system it never got replaced after 1993 its the 8500 System, The 8500 from what a tech said has no screens and only used lamps to indicate like zone lamps, nothing like what they have today with the LSN Series, The Comtrak 1720 and 2000 Panels are newer than the 8500 so they are very different and all had graphic screens, Comtrak was owned by Synergx Systems until around 2006 when they were bought by Firecom and became one of their divisions.
Comtrak was owned by Synergx Systems until about 2006, not sure if they were related to Firecom before they got bought by Firecom in the early 2000s, but their systems are pretty similar in design, I assumed it was a rebranded its still unconfirmed how the 8500 looks like inside I only found a picture of the cabinet it would sit in, the early model of the Comtrak 2000 looked completely different than the Firecom line up of panels
