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Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:53 pm

I am glad that you are getting these devices and hope that you can continue to get more!
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Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:11 pm

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I am glad that you are getting these devices and hope that you can continue to get more!
Thanks! It will certainly happen, I'm sure :wink:.
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Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:27 pm

I just got this Simplex pull station in the mail today :). I thought I have received a Simplex 4251-20, BUT this one says it's a Simplex 4251-40. I'm not entirely sure what's the difference between this and the -20 model (other than the mysterious "hole" on the pull itself). Could this be a rarer or rather "uncommon version" of the 4251-2()? Hmm? Either way it's pretty neat though :D

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Also, here are those 2903-9101 strobe plate pictures! (i took them today as you can see with the new simplex pull station in the background)

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More new fire alarm devices to come for sure :wink:. Off to a great start though!
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Tue Sep 04, 2018 11:01 pm

I found this catalog page on firealarmresources. It shows the 4251-40 as having both a pre-signal and general alarm capability. The pre-signal switch is the one operated by the T handle. That would cause indications in constantly manned locations like security stations. The alarm would be investigated and if evacuation was deemed necessary the person could do that at the pulled station.

General alarm was initiated by a key switch that would be mounted in the hole above the T handle switch. That switch was behind that mysterious hole behind the T handle. The key looks like a real long annunciator key but without the notches because it was a non-capturing switch. On your station that key switch was removed.
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:08 am

Wow that is a very cool find! I'm really glad that you shared this with us!
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:10 am

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I found this catalog page on firealarmresources. It shows the 4251-40 as having both a pre-signal and general alarm capability. The pre-signal switch is the one operated by the T handle. That would cause indications in constantly manned locations like security stations. The alarm would be investigated and if evacuation was deemed necessary the person could do that at the pulled station.

General alarm was initiated by a key switch that would be mounted in the hole above the T handle switch. That switch was behind that mysterious hole behind the T handle. The key looks like a real long annunciator key but without the notches because it was a non-capturing switch. On your station that key switch was removed.
Now that would make more sense. Thanks for that!

I wonder if this pull station still dates back to the 1970s, like the 4251-20 does. I also could make out the numbers "81" on the torn label inside the pull station, making me wonder if this pull was manufactured at that time period :?. Interesting
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:12 am

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Wow that is a very cool find! I'm really glad that you shared this with us!
Thanks! I've wanted this pull for a while now, so it's great to finally obtain one :)
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:17 am

I hope that we can all see more from you very soon!
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:57 am

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I hope that we can all see more from you very soon!
It's certainly likely :wink:
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:35 pm

I found this drawing in an installation instructions that shows the two switches.
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:15 pm

Well that is really interesting to know about the pull station!
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Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:24 am

Hey all, I've got big news about a possible "new" fire alarm control panel! As most of you guys know (on here and on YouTube), I currently own a FS (Federal Signal) "FireLarm 4000 Series" fire alarm control panel. I got this panel way back in 2012 or 2011. And when I got, I knew "jack" about it and how it exactly worked :lol:. Personally, I just wanted a fire alarm control panel cuz all the "cool fire alarm YouTubers" had one haha.

So I'll try to make a quick summary about the panel itself and why I'm getting rid of it:

I believe the Federal Signal "FireLarm 4000 Series" fire alarm control panel came out somewhere in the early-80s (1984-ish). The panel is a "modular-based" panel, and those types of panels were still pretty large back then (take the Simplex 2001 for example, which to me is the panel that best "represents" this FS panel). Of course Federal Signal was owned by Autocall at the time, so it kind of makes sense that FS would make a modular-based control panel (and would continue to make them for a little while). These modular-based panels on the downside are a pain in the rear end to wire up and even figure out :?. That's one reason why I'm not keeping the FS panel. The other reasons would be one it requires something called a "AC Power" modular card, which unfortunately I don't seem to have. Also, if I ever wanted to code the FS panel, I believe I would need a coder card, something I ALSO don't have. Buying modular cards for fire alarm control panels to me is just more money down the drain sadly. The next reason why I'm not keeping the panel is because it's very heavy (at least 50 pounds or more), and it's also quite wide. Right now it's just taking up space in my room sadly :(. Lastly, the final reason would be how GOOD the condition is of it. I'll show you pictures of the panel, but for being 30+ years old, it's in very good condition :). As much as I would love to keep this "vintage" FS panel as a collectible, I just can't sadly.


So, that's about it. Oh yeah, and the "new" fire alarm panel is going to be the trade of this panel (hopefully). Take a wild guess what the "new" panel is going to be. It's one I'm not "terribly" psyched about, but it's fairly decent nonetheless :).
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:09 am

Well, it's official! I just got my "new" panel today :). But first, let me know you the pictures of my previous panel, the Federal Signal "FireLarm 4000 Series" fire alarm control panel:

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Okay, now here's the "new" fire alarm control panel :). It's an Edwards FireShield FS1004! And here it is:

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Here it is with currently my "only" Genesis device

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So, my favorite features about this panel is the fact that it has "Genesis Sync", which is really neat because most if not all Genesis devices are two-wired, so I believe it produces an audible silence with the two-wired Genesis devices :). Also syncing Genesis devices sounds pretty fun either way lol. It's also a 10 zone / 4 NAC panel, which is plenty for what I'm doing right now (a bit more zones than I was hoping though lol), so that's a bonus. Finally the fact that it's easier to work with and such might be helpful for when or if I get another fire alarm control panel.

My gripes on this panel is one it unfortunately outputs full wave rectified (FWR) power :(. So, either I might have to avoid fire alarm devices that could be hurt by the FWR, get the batteries for the panel and use them with the FWR-prone devices, or maybe get this DC-to-DC converter that was recommended by Zach (TheAlmightyZach). I'm leaning more towards the DC-to-DC converter in my personal preference, but I'm not sure quite yet. My second gripe would be that the panel is quite tall and also still pretty hefty for its weight (thankfully less weight than the other panel). Not terrible, but it's not exactly a "great thing" haha. My final gripe would be it unfortunately has no march-time coding from what I'm reading. That's pretty disappointing because I was really wanting a panel that did March-Time, but I guess I'll just have to wait till I obtain the Simplex 4004. Oh well :|


Really excited about this panel though (even if there's a few "catches" with it). Now it's a new addition to my fire alarm collection :)
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Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:25 am

That does look really nice! I hope that you enjoy using it!
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Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:06 am

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That does look really nice! I hope that you enjoy using it!
It does. I do enjoy using it :), even despite it having FWR and no March-Time coding. It's really neat now that I don't have to shove 3 sets of wires into one pull station just to control the system :lol:
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